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HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

 
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Daniel Munns
Occasional Visitor

HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I know I am not alone in trying this, maybe someone could help.

We have managed to build an OpenVMS guest on a HP-UX 11.31 host, the system is running VMS 8.3-1H1, however no network devices are visible. I have added them in (from the documentation) using "hpvmnet" first, but they are not visible when booted.

The system is a rx6600 (8 core, 1.6/24MB, 16GB) with several dual 1Gbe interfaces.

# lanscan
Hardware Station Crd Hdw Net-Interface NM MAC HP-DLPI DLPI
Path Address In# State NamePPA ID Type Support Mjr#
0/4/2/0 0x001A4B06ECFA 2 UP lan2 snap2 1 ETHER Yes 119
0/2/1/0 0x001A4B06D4A8 0 UP lan0 snap0 2 ETHER Yes 119
0/2/1/1 0x001A4B06D4A9 1 UP lan1 snap1 3 ETHER Yes 119
0/4/2/1 0x001A4B06ECFB 3 UP lan3 snap3 4 ETHER Yes 119
0/6/1/0 0x001A4B06D18A 4 UP lan4 snap4 5 ETHER Yes 119

# hpvmnet
Name Number State Mode NamePPA MAC Address IPv4 Address
======== ====== ======= ========= ======== ============== ===============
localnet 1 Up Shared N/A N/A
vswitch0 2 Up Shared lan0 0x001a4b06d4a8 10.22.20.88
vswitch4 3 Up Shared lan4 0x001a4b06d18a


# hpvmstatus -P tops2b
[Virtual Machine Details]
Virtual Machine Name VM # OS Type State
==================== ===== ======= ========
tops2b 3 OpenVMS On (OS)

[Authorized Administrators]
Oper Groups:
Admin Groups:
Oper Users:
Admin Users:

[Virtual CPU Details]
#vCPUs Entitlement Maximum
====== =========== =======
2 50.0% 100.0%

[Memory Details]
Total Reserved
Memory Memory
======= ========
2 GB 64 MB

[Storage Interface Details]
Guest Physical
Device Adaptor Bus Dev Ftn Tgt Lun Storage Device
======= ========== === === === === === ========= =========================
disk scsi 0 0 0 0 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t0d7
disk scsi 0 0 0 1 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t1d0
disk scsi 0 0 0 2 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t1d1
disk scsi 0 0 0 3 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t1d2
disk scsi 0 0 0 4 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t1d3
disk scsi 0 0 0 5 0 disk /dev/rdsk/c1t1d4
disk scsi 0 0 0 6 0 file /var/vms831h1.iso

[Network Interface Details]
Interface Adaptor Name/Num PortNum Bus Dev Ftn Mac Address
========= ========== ========== ======= === === === =================
vswitch lan localnet 2 0 1 0 8e-08-2c-0d-5b-87
vswitch lan vswitch0 2 0 2 0 a6-95-2f-94-82-dc
vswitch lan vswitch4 2 0 4 0 b6-db-18-d7-ce-4d

[Misc Interface Details]
Guest Physical
Device Adaptor Bus Dev Ftn Tgt Lun Storage Device
======= ========== === === === === === ========= =========================
serial com1 tty console



14 REPLIES
Volker Halle
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

Daniel,

as far as I'm aware, you need the 'next' release of OpenVMS (expected to be caleld V8.4) for support of running OpenVMS as a guest on HPVM.

Volker.
Hoff
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

OpenVMS I64 V8.4 is the first release that HP expects and intends to be supported as a guest, based on the OpenVMS roadmap and various published reports.

Contact HP directly if you'd like to get into this earlier, and see if they are in a position to discuss this topic.
Daniel Munns
Occasional Visitor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I am aware that 8.4 seems to the first proper release, but when will that be out??? It was promised for last year!

I played with VMS running as a HPVM last summer in Vegas, and things suggest that it will work (kind of).

I have already had to jump through hoops to get here, where I needed to find three hidden/undocumented "tunables" that go into the config file.

The annoying thing is, VMS works a treat, but with no network :-(


$ sh cpu

System: TOPS2B, _HP_ VMM (1.59GHz/12.0MB)

CPU ownership sets:
Active 0,1
Configure 0,1

CPU state sets:
Potential 0,1
Autostart 0,1
Powered Down None
Not Present None
Hard Excluded None
Failover None


$ show sys/noproc
OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 on node TOPS2B 14-APR-2009 13:50:45.31 Uptime 0 01:06:34


$ show dev

Device Device Error Volume Free Trans Mnt
Name Status Count Label Blocks Count Cnt
TOPS2B$DKA0: Online 0
TOPS2B$DKA100: Online 0
TOPS2B$DKA200: Online 0
TOPS2B$DKA300: Mounted 0 TOPSPROD 60627840 256 1
TOPS2B$DKA400: Online 0
TOPS2B$DKA500: Online 0
TOPS2B$DKA600: Online 0

Device Device Error
Name Status Count
OPA0: Online 0
FTA0: Offline 0
TTA0: Offline 0

Device Device Error
Name Status Count
PKA0: Online 0
SRA0: Online 0
MPA0: Online 0
CMA0: Online 0
SEA0: Online 0
SMA0: Online 0
WSA0: Offline 0
Kind regards
Dan
Volker Halle
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

Dan,

OpenVMS V8.4 has been delayed and is now expected in H1 2010 - according to the current OpenVMS Roadmap.

Tiny little details like 'network adapters not working' could just be caused by lack of support.

Volker.
Daniel Munns
Occasional Visitor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I like the phrase "tiny little problems"! I was under the impression that the delay was more with the Tukwila support, added to the extra pressure of full compliance with IPv6 and IPCI.

The whole idea was to test-bed this as a proof of concept on a rx6600, and then use some spare cells in a rx8640. Not a good start on the proof of concept!

Oh well, someone may have an answer. Apart from the steep learning curve, its a nice approach to virtualising VMS. And its ever so secure, as no bugger can get on to it!
Hoff
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

>I am aware that 8.4 seems to the first proper release, but when will that be out???

Ask HP. Those folks that know the official (internal) schedule and particularly those folks that know the odds on meeting that current (internal) schedule are not typically permitted communicate that knowledge here.

You've already conclusively proven that this is either going to be an enablement ECO kit or a new OpenVMS release before its ready to ship, after all; that V8.3-1H1 does not operate correctly nor sufficiently with the current software and documentation. And HP has stated "new release".

HP has occasionally involved customers as field test sites for specific features, which is another potential outcome of the "ask HP" approach here.
Ian Miller.
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I think you will also need a later, as yet unreleased, version of HPVM as well.

Why are you wanting to use HPVM?
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Daniel Munns
Occasional Visitor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I wanted to move some non-production systems from their own servers to virtual servers, so the servers could be reused for production. Simple idea, but its not looking too promising.

Especially when I have two cells in a fully spec'd rx8640 that would have been an ideal VM host. I can't believe that they are pushing back v8.4 until next year.
CASTEL Gilles
Occasional Visitor
Solution

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

hello,

my bL860c works, I was told to add

SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT;

! Intel 82540 LOM, HPVM 82540 emulated
device = "i82540 LOM (Gigabit Ethernet)"
name = EI
driver = SYS$EI1000
adapter = PCI
id = 0x100E8086
boot_flags = HW_CTRL_LTR, UNIT_0
flags = BOOT, NETWORK
end_device

+ reboot => EIxx devices ...
may be it could work for you ...
Colin Butcher
Esteemed Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

If you want to try this out then you really should be part of the field test programme.

There was a demo at the recent HPUG OpenVMS day in London. That was a single CPU instance of an early kit (post V8.3-1H1) running as a guest.

Do remember that this is all field test stuff - it's not yet released and supported for 'production' work.

I recommend that you get in contact with your HP account people - and also ask when you're likely to see 'production quality' releases of V8.4, which will help you with your planning.

Cheers, Colin (http://www.xdelta.co.uk).
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem (Occam's razor).
Daniel Munns
Occasional Visitor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

All I can say to Castel Gilles, is "YOU BEAUTY", you are the man!

Thank you all very much, I am so glad that I posted this question out there!

$ sh dev e

Device Device Error
Name Status Count
EIA0: Online 0
EIB0: Online 0
EIB16: Online 0
EIB17: Online 0
EIB18: Online 0
EIC0: Online 0


Theres obviously a load more testing necessary, and the guest O/S does seem a little unstable at times, but I beleive this is mainly due to SYSGEN parameters needing to be tweeked a litte.
Thomas J. Harrold
Trusted Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I may be missing something - I'm trying to load OpenVMS 8.3 on HPVM 4.1, and I get a quick "VMS is unsupported" message, and it shuts down the VM.

Is there a workaround? Is this a "new" restriction that they've added to HPVM 4.1?

Thanks for your help.

-tjh
I learn something new everyday. (usually because I break something new everyday)
Hoff
Honored Contributor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

I can think of a number of potential reasons why HP might explicitly disallow this.

As somebody wrote earlier on within this thread: "OpenVMS I64 V8.4 is the first release that HP expects and intends to be supported as a guest, based on the OpenVMS roadmap and various published reports. "

OpenVMS I64 V8.4 is not available yet.

And then "Contact HP directly if you'd like to get into this earlier, and see if they are in a position to discuss this topic."

HP likely knows what the schedule for OpenVMS I64 V8.4 and the associated HPVM support is. And HP folks likely also know why HPVM has apparently now locked out (apparently unsupported) OpenVMS I64 use.
CASTEL Gilles
Occasional Visitor

Re: HPVM Guest on VMS 8.3-1H1

hello,

may be you need to force it ?
try "hpvmstart -F ..."

regards