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07-30-2006 11:43 PM
07-30-2006 11:43 PM
Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
In my quest to have audio still work on my PSW500au system after upgrading to 8.2, I purchased the above card. It came with an extra cable and no instructions - I presume the cable needs to go somewhere. A long google didn't turn up anything. Can anyone let me know how to instal and cable this card into the above VMS system. Anything further I need to do in software, or will VMS do what it normally does best and pick it up on reboot?
Mnay thanks
Paul
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07-31-2006 01:24 AM
07-31-2006 01:24 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
I expect you will need to add an entry to
sys$devices.dat
Purely Personal Opinion
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07-31-2006 03:03 AM
07-31-2006 03:03 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Thanks for the help
Paul
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07-31-2006 04:55 AM
07-31-2006 04:55 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
the MMOV release notes are to be found here:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/mmov/mmov_release_notes.html
They talk about an entry in sys$user_config.dat
Volker.
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07-31-2006 08:21 PM
07-31-2006 08:21 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Many thanks for any hints
Paul
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08-01-2006 08:13 PM
08-01-2006 08:13 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
The SPD for 8.2 does state MMOV is supported.
This may be now a propoer support call which I'll see if I can arrange but in the meantime, any hints at what to do are most welcome.
Regards
Paul
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08-01-2006 08:38 PM
08-01-2006 08:38 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
it looks like you need MMOV V2.2-1 to support OpenVMS Alpha V8.2. This version is available from the OpenVMS Alpha Layered Products CDs since JUN-2005.
This is a link to the SPL (Software Product List) entry:
http://h30266.www3.hp.com/masterindex/final_spl_vmsaxp_q205/SPLVAQ205_4G8AA_2_2-1_SSB.shtml
Did you install that version MMOV V2.2-1 ?
Status code: 10408014 may indicate %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM
Volker.
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08-01-2006 09:23 PM
08-01-2006 09:23 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Thanks for that - I did install MMOV 2.2-1 on both versions of VMS (I should have been clearer on this). Interestingly the PCSI kit has 2.2-1 embedded in the file name (so I assume this is the correct version) but PCSI SHOW PROD MMOV still says V2.2. I presume this is not a problem?
Thanks
Paul
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08-01-2006 09:36 PM
08-01-2006 09:36 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
XP1000, and my "PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT MMOV"
says:
DEC AXPVMS MMOV V2.2-1 Full LP Installed
Time to re-install?
(By the way, "PCSI SHOW PROD MMOV" says:
%DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
\PCSI\
I assume that you're just trying to sew
confusion here.)
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08-01-2006 09:44 PM
08-01-2006 09:44 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Many thanks
Paul
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08-01-2006 09:52 PM
08-01-2006 09:52 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
you might also want to check the creation date or image identication information of the drivers in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:
[SYS$LDR]MMOV$ENSDRIVER.EXE
[SYS$LDR]MMOV$ESSDRIVER.EXE
[SYS$LDR]MMOV$MSBDRIVER.EXE
[SYS$LDR]MMOV$VIDRIVER.EXE
They should show dates in 2005 (the kit has been created in APR-2005 according to SPL). V8.2 has been built in NOV-2004, so the drivers should NOT preceed that date if they are supposed to work with V8.2.
Volker.
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08-01-2006 09:59 PM
08-01-2006 09:59 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
It appears that is at least part of the problem. I have been picking up:
DEC-AXPVMS-MMOV-V0202--1.PCSI-DCX AXPEXE
From the HP site and interpreting the version as 2.2-1 from the title.... it apparently isn't. I can't find the later version - does anyone have a link. Also, I noticed you have installed the dev version rather that just the RT. Is this important?
Thanks
Paul
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08-01-2006 10:10 PM
08-01-2006 10:10 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
files all have date "31-MAR-2005", and there
are explicit references to "V82", as, for
example:
ALP $ dire /date /size SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:MMOV$ENS*
Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]
MMOV$ENSDRIVER.EXE;1
67 31-MAR-2005 18:04:47.92
MMOV$ENSDRIVER_V732.EXE;1
67 31-MAR-2005 18:04:47.92
MMOV$ENSDRIVER_V82.EXE;1
71 31-MAR-2005 18:04:47.96
Total of 3 files, 205 blocks.
Where:
ALP $ diff SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:MMOV$ENSDRIVER.EXE MMOV$ENSDRIVER_V732.EXE
Number of difference sections found: 0
Number of difference records found: 0
DIFFERENCES /IGNORE=()/MERGED=1-
SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]MMOV$ENSDRIVER.EXE;1-
SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]MMOV$ENSDRIVER_V732.EXE;1
The new ("-1") kit seems to be:
DEC-AXPVMS-MMOV-V0202-1-1.PCSI
I've lost track of where I got mine, but if
you get desperate, send me some e-mail
(sms@antinode-org, more or less).
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08-01-2006 10:30 PM
08-01-2006 10:30 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Also, I noticed you have installed the dev version rather that just the RT
The PROD SHO HIST output from Steven shows:
DEC AXPVMS MMOV V2.2-1 Full LP Installed
This is a 'Full Layered Product', there is no separate development or runtime kit. The functionality is controlled by the license PAK (MMOV-RT for runtime license, MMOV-DV for development kit).
Volker.
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08-01-2006 10:35 PM
08-01-2006 10:35 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
install the biggest thing I can find, just
in case I might need the extras some day.
In this case, my source thought that he had
two different kits, but they were actually
the same. The Hobbyist LP license kit
includes both PAks, of course.
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08-02-2006 10:29 PM
08-02-2006 10:29 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Bummer. I really expected that my error with the MMOV version was THE error. Not so - Removed the old one, installed the new one (and checked to be sure), adjusted sys$user_config.dat to take out the embeded card (documented problems if you have multiple cards) and rebooted - During config stage an error came up referring to this card as 'not supported on primary PCI bus' (!?). The console I am using is not wonderful and may have actualy said 'only supported ...' In either case this is a PSW500au and as fas as I can tell there is only one PCI bus... Isn't there? I then commented out the new card and reinstated the embedded card. After reboot - no au device. VMS still does not recognise the embedded device. Stuck again. I'll re-check all last night's work for accuracy but I am starting to head for the plan c solution - Run a mixed version cluster and use the other machine at 7.3-2 for audio only. Not great but should work.
Many thanks for all the help.
Regards
Paul
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08-03-2006 08:47 PM
08-03-2006 08:47 PM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Some real progress. Re-installing MMOV adds 2 new entries to sys$user_config.dat - one for the PCI card and one for 'Microsoft Sound Card'. I assumed the 2nd one was the embedded card - but that does not seem to be the case. Taking a hint from Steven's post of driver versions, I changed the original hand-crafted entry (following the earlier release notes)and changed the driver to xxxx_V82. The embedded card now works. The same fix does not work for the PCI card but I am now where I originaly wanted to be. In conclusion, there were 2.5 errors. 1-MMOV install does not detect the embeded audio device correctly and 2- it does not detect the VMS version and supply the right driver. The .5 in mine - I might have leaped earlier to the idea that the original entry needed modification as per original install 3-4 years ago.
BTW - I finally located a version of the manual for the AudioPCI card on the net. If anyone wants a copy, please mail me.
Many thanks for your help and patience
Regards
Paul
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08-04-2006 02:06 AM
08-04-2006 02:06 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
> (following the earlier release notes)and
> changed the driver to xxxx_V82. [...]
Why? On your system, the "xxxx" file should
be a copy of the "xxxx_V82" file (as mine, on
a VMS V7.3-2 system, was a copy of the
"xxxx_V732" file).
(At first glance I was expecting "xxxx" to be
the result of SET FILE /ENTER, but a closer
look revealed it to be a copy. Well, they're
small.)
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08-04-2006 02:49 AM
08-04-2006 02:49 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Agreed - it should have and that was the complaint. It was from your earlier post that showed the specific 'V82' files that triggered the investigation. MMOV 2.2-1 install creates 2 new entries neither of which pointed to the V82 drivers. Worse - I was assuming the 'Microsoft Sound Card' referred to the embedded one (it may have but didn't work). Back when I first installed MMOV there were instructions to add an entry into sys$user_config.dat which I did and it worked happily therafter. The change here was then twofold: Ignore (actualy comment out)the automatic entry and change the original manual entry to the V82 version of the driver. This then made the embedded card work. (Yeah!). Unfortunately the same 'fix' did not help the PCI card - it still doesn't even show as a device. I plan to fool around with this over the weekend but as it stands, I can live with the result.
Thanks again for the pointer
Paul
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08-04-2006 02:53 AM
08-04-2006 02:53 AM
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
Re: Installation of Creative Labs audiopci card
I should have read your reply a bit better. Now that I have, The 'fix' then should have been simply to ignore the new entry and continue on with the manual one, however, that is how it should have been after the initial install which didn't work. Best guess at this stage is that the new entry, being later in the file, replaced the manual entry and all I neeeded to do was comment it out. Sometimes ya just gotta do it the hard way...
Paul
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