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robert70
Valued Contributor

PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

odd Problem

2 alpha ds20e on same network

1 runs vms 7.3-2 and pathworks 6.0c
network mask on this machine is 255.255.255.128

the other runs vms 8.3 and pathworks 7.3B
when the network mask is 255.255.255.0 a PC can connect to shares, when the network mask is 255.255.255.128 it cant? also the command "net send" runs on the 1st machine but only runs on the 2nd when the mask is set to 255.255.255.128

is it possible to get both apps working at the same time from the 2nd machine and why does it rely so heavily on the subnet mask setting?

as of next week only the 2nd alpha will be on the network so i am hoping both net send and pathworks will be ok?

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Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

> [...] network mask on this machine is
> 255.255.255.128

And what are all the IP addresses and
netmasks on all these systems? And how many
disagree?

> [...] why does it rely so heavily on the
> subnet mask setting?

For the same reason(s) that _all_ of IP
networking relies on correct subnet mask
settings? If you're asking this question,
then you may not be the right person to be
configuring this stuff.
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

yes all the pc's are subnet mask 255.255.255.128 also

but why when 2 alphas on same subnet mask 255.255.255.128 does only one of them appear to allow connections via pathworks shares?
Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

> And what are all the IP addresses and
> netmasks on all these systems? And how many
> disagree?

> yes all the pc's are subnet mask
> 255.255.255.128 also

Do you think that that answered my question?
Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

> Nov 2, 2010 16:15:34 GMT 3 pts

An actual answer would be more helpful.
Andy Bustamante
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Silly questions, do both systems have license units available? Are you running the Pathworks 32 software on the PCs. What is the operating system on the PC(s)attempting to connect. Are the PCs and Alphaservers on the same subnet?
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over? Reach me at first_name + "." + last_name at sysmanager net
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Silly questions, do both systems have license units available?

yes they both do

Are you running the Pathworks 32 software on the PCs.

yes - but dont think this is totally required?

What is the operating system on the PC(s)attempting to connect.

Windows XP Pro

Are the PCs and Alphaservers on the same subnet?

Yes all on the same subnet - when one alpha changes to a different subnet pathworks shares become available on both


Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

> Yes all on the same subnet - [...]

PROVE IT. Display the IP addresses, as
repeatedly requested. Having the same
netmask is not the same as being on the same
subnet. Your opinion, while interesting, is
not so valuable as actual facts (which you
seem adamant about hiding).
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

my pc

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128

alpha

$ DAVE:SYSTEM> tcpip
TCPIP> show interface
Packets
Interface IP_Addr Network mask Receive Send MTU

IE0 129.94.185.46 255.255.255.128 40688 10016 1500
LO0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 605 605 4096
Jan van den Ende
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Robert,

>>>

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128
<<<
In short: THIS is your answer!

Nerwerk masks and IP adresses are really binary nmubers represented decimal.
... and .128 implies the first bit set, where .20 has not. Only addresses > .128 will "get masked in".

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe
Don't rust yours pelled jacker to fine doll missed aches.
Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

It's like pulling teeth with your bare hands.

> 2 alpha ds20e on same network

> alpha

Which "alpha" is this? The one which works?
The one which doesn't?

Which part of "all" is so difficult to
understand?

Do you really expect to get any useful (free)
advice if you refuse to supply any (or
enough) useful information (as repeatedly
requested)?


> [...] Only addresses > .128 will "get
> masked in".

Huh?
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

yes sorry the alpha DAVE is the one that isnt working
Sam Samalsson
Occasional Visitor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Class B net
netmask 255.255.255.128
network 129.94.185.0
broadcast 129.94.185.127
host addresses from 129.94.185.1 to 129.94.185.126

Are you within the limits on all the hosts ?
Do you have address conflicts on your subnet ?

Check the log files and event logs.

Check the TCPIP setup on all your hosts together with a friend.

Good luck !
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

>Are you within the limits on all the hosts ?

yes - the hosts are 45 and 46

>Do you have address conflicts on your subnet ?

no

Hans Hosang
Frequent Advisor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Then, Robert, they "should" be able to speak with eachother.

Next thing I would check is the IP gateway.
Is this gateway within the IP range Sam indicated?
If not, that could be your problem.

PC: ipconfig /all
VMS: tcpip sho route
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Hans Hosang
Frequent Advisor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Other option;
Is your issue with PWRK ONLY?
Does telnet and other IP communication work well?
Do you have multiple IP interfaces in the box?
If so, do you have defined pwrk$knbdaemon_device logical name to the wrong interface?
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robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Next thing I would check is the IP gateway.
Is this gateway within the IP range Sam indicated?
the gateway is 129.94.185.1

If not, that could be your problem.

PC: ipconfig /all
my pc shows this
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-16-35-61-9A-EF
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.1


VMS: tcpip sho route
here is a sample of this showing the 2 servers 45 and 46

AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.45
AN 129.94.185.0/25 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.185.1 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20
AH 129.94.185.45 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.46 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.186.92 129.94.185.1
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Other option;

Is your issue with PWRK ONLY?
YES

Does telnet and other IP communication work well?
YES

Do you have multiple IP interfaces in the box? no

TCPIP> show interface
Packets
Interface IP_Addr Network mask Receive Send MTU

IE0 129.94.185.46 255.255.255.128 67388 16520 1500
LO0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 795 795 4096

If so, do you have defined pwrk$knbdaemon_device logical name to the wrong interface?

$ DAVE:SYSTEM> show log pwrk$knbdaemon_device
"PWRK$KNBDAEMON_DEVICE" = "EIA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
Hans Hosang
Frequent Advisor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Robert, it would have been handy if you would have splitup the 2 tables from the 2 alpha's, now its one bunch of spaghetty.
But, what I see sounds very wrong to me.
In the routing table i see:

AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20

So here you are telling VMS that if it needs to send traffic to your PC (129.94.185.20) through interface 129.94.185.20.
It doesn't have an interface 129.94.185.20.
So that will fail.

please remove that route
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robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

i see what you mean
i have removed this
Hans Hosang
Frequent Advisor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

OK, and since you don't say that it still fails, I guess it works OK now ??
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robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

no sorry still fails
Hans Hosang
Frequent Advisor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Assuming it is the V7.3B node that fails (I can't read that from your description), do you have the logical pwrk$knbdaemon_ipaddr defined as the THIS Alpha's IP address?

Can you post the IP route table from only this node?
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robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

>Assuming it is the V7.3B node that fails (I can't read that from your description),

YES thats correct

>do you have the logical pwrk$knbdaemon_ipaddr defined as the THIS Alpha's IP address?

$ DAVE:SYSTEM> show log pwrk$knbdaemon_ipaddr
"PWRK$KNBDAEMON_IPADDR" = "129.94.185.46" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

>Can you post the IP route table from only this node?


DYNAMIC

Type Destination Gateway

AH 10.208.193.52 129.94.185.1
AH 124.4.104.54 129.94.185.1
AH 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
AH 128.4.104.0 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.104.58 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.105.0 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.105.119 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.106.155 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.3 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.18 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.22 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.155 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.180 129.94.185.45
AH 128.4.205.50 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.221.180 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.4 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.25 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.119 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.237.207 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.14.126 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.117.52 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.127.47 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.130.2 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.130.207 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.135.13 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.145.108 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.145.252 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.176.111 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.191.79 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.204.122 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.209.26 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.227.2 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.227.14 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.79.118 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.135.16 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.147.120 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.165.75 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.199.140 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.206.54 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.28.21 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.56.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.180.204 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.184.174 129.94.185.1
AH 128.20.157.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.20.157.22 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.109.37 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.109.38 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.124.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.67.1 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.98.1 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.99.34 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.100.35 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.10.58 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.18.52 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.18.61 129.94.185.45
AH 128.31.18.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.20.195 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.46.37 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.46.38 129.94.185.1
AH 128.63.139.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.63.181.12 129.94.185.1
AH 128.71.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.45
AN 129.94.185.0/25 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.185.1 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20
AH 129.94.185.45 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.46 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.186.92 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.46.31 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.46.89 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.52.35 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.52.79 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.33 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.84 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.108 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.237 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.239 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.44 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.108 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.239 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.57.213 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.57.254 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.65.202 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.80.0/23 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.82.0/23 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.100.0/23 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.42 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.60 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.101 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.111 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.144 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.162 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.101.31 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.102.0/23 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.59 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.76 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.123 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.130 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.132 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.10 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.11 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.30 129.94.185.1
AH 161.9.20.114 129.94.185.1
AH 161.9.30.114 129.94.185.1
AH 172.19.71.61 129.94.185.1
AH 172.19.71.68 129.94.185.1
AH 172.20.75.61 129.94.185.1
AH 172.27.22.36 129.94.185.1
AH 172.27.32.5 129.94.185.1
AH 192.71.185.172 129.94.185.1
robert70
Valued Contributor

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

sorry is this easier format to read.....


DYNAMIC

Type Destination Gateway

AH 10.208.193.52 129.94.185.1
AH 124.4.104.54 129.94.185.1
AH 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1
AH 128.4.104.0 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.104.58 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.105.0 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.105.119 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.106.155 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.3 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.18 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.22 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.155 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.112.180 129.94.185.45
AH 128.4.205.50 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.221.180 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.4 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.25 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.236.119 129.94.185.1
AH 128.4.237.207 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.14.126 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.117.52 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.127.47 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.130.2 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.130.207 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.135.13 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.145.108 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.145.252 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.176.111 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.191.79 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.204.122 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.209.26 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.227.2 129.94.185.1
AH 128.8.227.14 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.79.118 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.135.16 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.147.120 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.165.75 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.199.140 129.94.185.1
AH 128.9.206.54 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.28.21 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.56.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.180.204 129.94.185.1
AH 128.11.184.174 129.94.185.1
AH 128.20.157.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.20.157.22 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.109.37 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.109.38 129.94.185.1
AH 128.29.124.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.67.1 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.98.1 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.99.34 129.94.185.1
AH 128.30.100.35 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.10.58 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.18.52 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.18.61 129.94.185.45
AH 128.31.18.61 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.20.195 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.46.37 129.94.185.1
AH 128.31.46.38 129.94.185.1
AH 128.63.139.5 129.94.185.1
AH 128.63.181.12 129.94.185.1
AH 128.71.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.45
AN 129.94.185.0/25 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.185.1 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20
AH 129.94.185.45 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.46 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.186.92 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.46.31 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.46.89 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.52.35 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.52.79 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.33 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.84 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.108 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.237 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.53.239 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.44 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.108 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.56.239 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.57.213 129.94.185.1
AH 136.52.57.254 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.65.202 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.80.0/23 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.82.0/23 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.100.0/23 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.42 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.60 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.101 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.111 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.144 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.100.162 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.101.31 129.94.185.1
AN 136.54.102.0/23 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.59 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.76 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.123 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.130 129.94.185.1
AH 136.54.102.132 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.10 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.11 129.94.185.1
AH 150.1.3.30 129.94.185.1
AH 161.9.20.114 129.94.185.1
AH 161.9.30.114 129.94.185.1
AH 172.19.71.61 129.94.185.1
AH 172.19.71.68 129.94.185.1
AH 172.20.75.61 129.94.185.1
AH 172.27.22.36 129.94.185.1
AH 172.27.32.5 129.94.185.1
AH 192.71.185.172 129.94.185.1