- Community Home
- >
- Servers and Operating Systems
- >
- Operating Systems
- >
- Operating System - OpenVMS
- >
- Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
Categories
Company
Local Language
Forums
Discussions
Forums
- Data Protection and Retention
- Entry Storage Systems
- Legacy
- Midrange and Enterprise Storage
- Storage Networking
- HPE Nimble Storage
Discussions
Discussions
Discussions
Forums
Forums
Discussions
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
- BladeSystem Infrastructure and Application Solutions
- Appliance Servers
- Alpha Servers
- BackOffice Products
- Internet Products
- HPE 9000 and HPE e3000 Servers
- Networking
- Netservers
- Secure OS Software for Linux
- Server Management (Insight Manager 7)
- Windows Server 2003
- Operating System - Tru64 Unix
- ProLiant Deployment and Provisioning
- Linux-Based Community / Regional
- Microsoft System Center Integration
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Community
Resources
Forums
Blogs
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-03-2010 08:15 PM
тАО05-03-2010 08:15 PM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
Ok, The fix is not for V7.2-2. Did you check the queue manager's page file quota?
SDA> SET PROCESS/INDEX=
SDA> READ SYSDEF
SDA> FORMAT JIB
...
FFFFFFFF.81DC0C80 JIB$L_PGFLQUOTA 00000A00
FFFFFFFF.81DC0C84 JIB$L_PGFLCNT 00000000
...
Regards,
Ketan
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-03-2010 08:26 PM
тАО05-03-2010 08:26 PM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
>> I'm waiting for a quiet time to restart the queue manager with a larger value for page file quota.
This can be the workaround for the problem.
Regards,
Ketan
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-03-2010 10:27 PM
тАО05-03-2010 10:27 PM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
you might want to have a look at the problem analysis section of the QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY problem/solution in the patches referenced before:
5.2.5.3 Problem Analysis:
With a large PAGEFILE.SYS, the check for available memory in the Queue Manager may overflow a longword. The results of this overflow are the unnecessary LOWMEMORY warnings and the possible system crash.
As this patch does NOT seem to be available for V7.2-2, your only real 'workaround' seems to be a restart of the queue manager.
Volker.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-03-2010 11:02 PM
тАО05-03-2010 11:02 PM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
I've seen this problem in 2004 and have the original IPMT text (from the problem escalation). It's some simple math problem (overflow) in the code.
Note that you can easily force a QUEUE_MANAGER process dump and have it restart automatically (queue commands will hang for as along as it takes to write the process dump, i.e. less than a minute):
$ MCR JBC$COMMAND
JBC$COMMAND> diag 4
%JBC-I-DIAGNOSTIC,
Log for playback = 0
Save old Journal files = 0
Log all requests = 0
Dump on error = 0
Checkpoint: State = 0, In-memory blocks = 100
PersAlpha CHAALP-E8.4 $
%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 4-MAY-2010 08:39:33.24 %%%%%%%%%%%
Message from user SYSTEM on CHAALP
%QMAN-F-DIAGNOSTIC, A request was made to dump the queue manager.
Note that increasing the amount of pagefile space is contraproductive in this case !
Look at PAGFILCNT of the QUEUE_MANAGER process with F$GETJPI("pid-of-queue_manager","PAGFILCNT"). If it's getting near 214 million, you may see that problem.
Volker.
Volker.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-03-2010 11:31 PM
тАО05-03-2010 11:31 PM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
>> It's some simple math problem (overflow) in the code.
Volker's right.
Systems with large physical memory and large pagefile.sys would
face this problem. The problem was with the check for available memory
in the queue manager which could overflow the longword boundary.
The "QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY" messages logged were as a result of this overflow.
>> Note that increasing the amount of pagefile space is contraproductive
>> in this case !
Yes. Even after increasing the pagefile space, you could see the same old
error messages again and may be even more number of times.
Intalling the QMAN patch would be the way to go forward. But for this you
have to upgrade the current version of OpenVMS on the system to V73-2 or
onwards.
Regards,
Murali
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-04-2010 04:42 AM
тАО05-04-2010 04:42 AM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
in the queue that execute in parallel.
Also, how many jobs in the queue do actually execute in parallel?"
Well, as in most VMS systems/clusters, we have more than one queue! There are about 370 ... ~110 batch queues and the rest print queues. Impossible to say how many jobs execute in parallel at any given time.
"Ketan: Looks like fix is available for this problem."
Great, except these systems are v7.2-2 and aren't going to be upgraded.
"Murali: You have to upgrage VMS to V73-2 or onwards ..."
Not going to happen.
"Ketan: pagefile quota"
FFFFFFFF.812EF840 JIB$L_PGFLQUOTA 00009EB0
FFFFFFFF.812EF844 JIB$L_PGFLCNT 00000950
Which "matches" what I see at DCL:
$ write sys$output f$getjpi(20307833,"PGFLQUOTA") 649984 (%x9EB00)
$ write sys$output f$getjpi(20307833,"PAGFILCNT") 38144 (%x9500)
"Volker: With a large PAGEFILE.SYS ..."
The original single pagefile is 1,300,000 blocks and I added another 1,300,000 block one. That's not "large" is it?
"Volker: ...you can easily force a QUEUE_MANAGER process dump and have it restart automatically (queue commands will hang for as along as it takes to write the process dump."
What happens to currently executing / printing jobs? Evaporate, or also just hang until the mgr comes back? The points for that suggestion depend on the answer. ;-)
Cheers,
Art
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-04-2010 05:17 AM
тАО05-04-2010 05:17 AM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
Well the time was right, I did the DIAG 4. What followed was one of the longer 3 or 4 minutes of my life ... the queue manager restarted and went solid computable and the cluster "hung" ... not quite, as I was seeing OPCOM messages about users trying to login, timing out. But all of my commands entered stalled. It did finish up whatever it was doing and things are back to "normal".
One exception, I can't use the f$getjpi lexical to get the pagfilcnt and pgflquota:
$ pipe show sys | search sys$pipe queue
2030CD04 QUEUE_MANAGER HIB 9 1893 0 00:08:31.90 4434 3267
$ write sys$output f$getjpi(2030CD04,"PAGFILCNT")
%DCL-W-IVCHAR, invalid numeric value - check for invalid digits
\2030CD04\
$ write sys$output f$getjpi(2030CD04,"PGFLQUOTA")
%DCL-W-IVCHAR, invalid numeric value - check for invalid digits
\2030CD04\
I can't do this for any process. WTF?
Art
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-04-2010 05:22 AM
тАО05-04-2010 05:22 AM
Solutionplease include the double-quotes around the process-id:
AXPVMS $ write sys$output f$getjpi(26600E13,"PAGFILCNT")
%DCL-W-IVCHAR, invalid numeric value - check for invalid digits
\26600E13\
AXPVMS $ write sys$output f$getjpi("26600E13","PAGFILCNT")
495136
Volker.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-04-2010 05:25 AM
тАО05-04-2010 05:25 AM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
$ pipe show sys | search sys$pipe queue
2030CD04 QUEUE_MANAGER HIB 9 2805 0 00:08:32.74 4434 3267
$ write sys$output f$getjpi("2030CD04","PGFLQUOTA")
649984
$ write sys$output f$getjpi("2030CD04","PAGFILCNT")
592080
All's well again. ;-)
Cheers,
Art
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО05-04-2010 05:26 AM
тАО05-04-2010 05:26 AM
Re: %QMAN-W-LOWMEMORY
With all due respect, you need to put the hexadecimal Process ID in quotes, to wit:
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F4GETJPI("05CE","BIOCNT")
Otherwise, the DCL parsing does not identify the first parameter as a literal constant, it identifies it as the name of a DCL symbol (hint: a process ID of aced would otherwise be ambiguous).
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com