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тАО04-27-2005 03:40 AM
тАО04-27-2005 03:40 AM
I've read about the throttling feature but don't have a good way of testing the settings (forced crashes are frowned upon here :-) )
Would sites that are using this feature be willing to answer these questions:
1) What values are you using for the logicals:
SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR and/or
SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR_DSAnnnn
SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_THRESHOLD and/or
SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_THRESHOLD_DSAnnnn
2) And (more importantly) how did you decide on these values?
Note: I'm separating this question from discussion of HBMM (HostBased MiniMerge),
which I will also be enabling).
Thanks all
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тАО04-27-2005 06:59 AM
тАО04-27-2005 06:59 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
In recent versions (I think you need at least V7.3-2) you can use:
$ set shadow /demand_merge DSAn:
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тАО04-27-2005 07:31 AM
тАО04-27-2005 07:31 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
either V8.2 (Alpha or I64), or V7.3-2 with any of the kits that contain support for HBMM. You do *not* need to enable HBMM in order to use
SET SHADOW /DEMAND, but the support for that command did not appear for V7.3-2 until
the HBMM V1 kit was released.
Note that the MERGE_DELAY logicals are not honoured for a host-based minimerge.
-- Rob
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тАО04-27-2005 08:36 AM
тАО04-27-2005 08:36 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
"Note that the MERGE_DELAY logicals are not honoured for a host-based minimerge"
Did I miss this in the Shadowing manual? Would you point this out to me in the doc? Thanks
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тАО04-27-2005 08:42 AM
тАО04-27-2005 08:42 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
In any event, an HBMM will happen so rapidly
(assuming reasonable RESET_THRESHOLD levels),
that there is no need to throttle it.
By "so rapidly", I'd expect most HBMMs to finish in a minute or two.
I do know that my statement (about ignoring the logicals) is correct, however; I verified that with guy here who knows shadowing from A to Z . . .
-- Rob
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тАО04-27-2005 10:19 AM
тАО04-27-2005 10:19 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
3) When the RESET_THRESHOLD value is reached/past and the block flushing is done
to allow bit-map clearing, has anyone noticed
any hits on response time while (in my understanding) all the nodes in the cluster pause to coordinate flushing and completing any write I/Os in progress?
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тАО04-27-2005 05:42 PM
тАО04-27-2005 05:42 PM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
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тАО05-03-2005 01:26 AM
тАО05-03-2005 01:26 AM
Re: Shadowset MERGE Throttling
We only have set the logical SHAD$MERGE_DELAY_FACTOR to 100000 (max) in the LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE.
The major reason is this: We have a multisite cluster, if there is a problem with a disk and this one is merging, in our situation this can take more then 15 hours. If during this period a problem on the other drive is hapening 'I GOT A BIG PROBLEM'. So the major reason is 'reduce the SPOF time'.
The users will notice this problem, but its in their benefit if the SPOF time is reduced.
Whe are also looking at HBMM, but cannot test it now so unfortuanaly this is keeping up. But it is always fine to have something to look for if you want it.
AvR
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тАО05-09-2005 02:15 AM
тАО05-09-2005 02:15 AM
SolutionAre you sure that the performance penalty is caused by the merge itself ? All programs have to read at least 2 disks while in a merge, so the impact could caused by that too.
I already asked a solution for slowing the shadow copy. The only solution (I) found was suspending shadow_server for x seconds, than releasing it again for y seconds. And this in a loop. But this won't work in future versions.
Wim
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тАО05-09-2005 02:16 AM
тАО05-09-2005 02:16 AM