WEBES - where can I find it?

[Paul Jerrom]

Hi all,

I'm wanting to find WEBES for VMS, but can't find it to download it.
It's not on HP's WEBES page (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/webes/index.html) - all I can find is WEBES for Windows, or something called ELMC test scripts for VMS, but not WEBES for VMS.
Any ideas, anyone?

Have fun,

PJ

[Volker Halle]

Paul,

interesting, the OpenVMS WEBES versions had been there before...

Ask HP !

Volker.

[Volker Halle]

Paul,

looks like HP has completely dropped support of OpenVMS as of WEBES V5.6. The installation guide only mentions Windows.

Volker.

[Ian Miller.]

elmc is available for OpenVMS so it appears you collect the data on OpenVMS and analyse it on windows. Not a surprise I suppose.

[Ian Miller.]

Does this mean there is no way to analyse the error log on OpenVMS on current systems?

ELV is too basic. What's the alternative?

[Volker Halle]

Ian,

YES, that's what i means !

You can forget about ELV.

DECevent is only good on VAX and Alpha.

But for more recent systems and especially for I64, you NEED to run SEA (System Event Analyzer, component of WEBES).

This means that you now have to use a Windows system to look at your OpenVMS I64 errlog files !

Volker.

[cnb]

Hi Paul,

You can still find some older WEBES for VMS versions here:

ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/svctools/

Rgds,

[Gareth Williams_2 · Accepted solution]

And what is one supposed to do if one does
not have any PCs in their environment?

This is very worrying, as I have a serious
cluster connectivity problem that is probably
hardware related which needs diagnosing. We
have a ten-node Alpha cluster in which one
or two machines will reboot themselves every
week or two. ELV doesn't translate the
error log entries, so I was planning to
install WEBES. But if there's no VMS
version, then I'm up a certain creek
without a certain instrument.

Seriously, how hard would it be to update
ELV?

Gareth Williams

[Volker Halle]

Gareth,

I would not expect HP to invest in updating ELV to allow it to correctly translate all possible errors.

WEBES was multi-platform and available for multiple operating systems, so the work to decode all possible HW errlog entries could be invested into ONE tool. I don't believe that WEBES was the 'favorite' tool of any OpenVMS system manager, but it at least allowed you to diagnose errors on the same system as they occured on. This 'feature' seems to be gone now !

Volker.

[Robert Brooks_1]

I would not expect HP to invest in updating ELV to allow it to correctly translate all possible errors.

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Ah, yes. ELV. A nice idea that barely scratched the surface. ELV was designed by an engineer in the "platform support" or "systems group". That group was responsible for the platform-specific code (stuff like sys$loadable_images:sys$cpu_routines_*.exe, among others). As such, ELV is used primarily to decode low-level systems hardware issues, but really isn't useful for general-purpose errors.

I tried *really hard* to have the designing engineer put some stuff in there for SCSI-related problems, but it wasn't a priority for him, and I never had the time myself to figure out what needed to be done.

Sigh!

-- Rob