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тАО09-03-2009 07:14 AM
тАО09-03-2009 07:14 AM
Re: ZIP performance
> Just the directory searches on a directory
> of that size would likely be expensive.
The FAQ suggests that V7.2 is new enough to
get the boost to the directory cache stuff,
so a VMS upgrade might not help, either.
A quick look at the code suggests that it's
doing (at least) a $PARSE on every name.
Zip 3.0 may not relieve the misery, but it
does add a new message or two, like "Scanning
files ...", so that it doesn't look quite so
dead while it's scouting around.
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тАО09-03-2009 07:19 AM
тАО09-03-2009 07:19 AM
Re: ZIP performance
We're _really_ going to have a discussion about system performance and application tuning from this application on this AlphaServer 800 box with all of a half-gig of memory and slow SCSI disks? Really?
There are vendors offering a gigabyte of memory (4 DIMMs) for this box for US$120 or so. You've got eight slots in this box. So going from 512 to 2 GB is US$240 or so, and quite possibly less. (I did only a very quick look for prices.)
Faster disks? I've been scrounging disks compatible with this vintage gear for small outlays. Sticking a decent RAID controller and a shelf of disks into the box will get you better I/O speed.
Or punt this box, and replace it with a faster Alpha or (likely cheaper) an Integrity. I've seen some sweet AlphaServer DS10 boxes and even some AlphaServer ES45 boxes for less than US$1000, and Integrity boxes are cheap, too. (Integrity has cheaper OpenVMS licenses.) Or switch from Alpha hardware to one of the available Alpha emulations.
Between the application design and the hardware and the OpenVMS configuration, tuning this box is likely wasting more money than upgrading or (better) replacing the box; even if you get double speed, you're still looking at 12 hours! And if the hardware upgrade or the replacement or migration to Integrity or a switch to emulation is deemed unacceptable or too costly (starting at US$250 or so, and possibly less), then your management has made your decision for you. Let it run for a day or three.
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тАО09-03-2009 07:29 AM
тАО09-03-2009 07:29 AM
Re: ZIP performance
"Or punt this box, and replace it with a faster Alpha"
This process is underway, albeit at glacial speeds, to ES47's w/8GB on VMS8.3 . The application support folks are the resource bottleneck. I've had the new clusters built for about two years now!
And FYI, the disk is HSG80 based, not local SCSI so that's a bit "faster".
Cheers,
Art
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тАО09-03-2009 07:44 AM
тАО09-03-2009 07:44 AM
Re: ZIP performance
>> Of the 29 hours involved in this example, I'd say ~26 hours were related to ZIP and about 3 hours to removing them. No, I haven't tried anything other than a
Judging by the high buffered IO I suspect that is it really the directory slowing down ZIP.
If you can RENAME 10,000 file chunks away from this directory, notably in reverse order, and then zip those up, you should see a much better performance.
You have to rename in reverse order to make the rename not take too long.
Hein
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тАО09-03-2009 08:02 AM
тАО09-03-2009 08:02 AM
Re: ZIP performance
And unless you can really offload this box of most everything on it, then XFC is going to be running somewhere between shut off and very cache-constrained with what it can gather of the 0.5 GB of memory. And I'm not sure there's anything that's going to help with the comparatively slow I/O path in V7.2-2 and particularly with gazillions of small files.
I don't think you're going to make this box all that much faster through anything you can do in (only) software. Spread the I/O load across spindles, etc. The usual.
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тАО09-03-2009 11:05 AM
тАО09-03-2009 11:05 AM
Re: ZIP performance
Would you not then pay nearly the same price for insertion into the new directory that you save during the removal from the old directory?
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тАО09-03-2009 11:12 AM
тАО09-03-2009 11:12 AM
Re: ZIP performance
I added a second com to do the delete the files at the end.
Talk to you tomorrow ;-)
Cheers,
Art
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тАО09-03-2009 11:43 AM
тАО09-03-2009 11:43 AM
Re: ZIP performance
> so far.
Yeah, well, all the "/MOVE" file deletion is
done at the end of the job, after the archive
creation is known to be successful, and I
wouldn't expect any non-delete activity to be
affected by the order. So I'm not amazed.
> The job only has the list file open so far
> [...]
It's "Scanning files ...". Zip 3,0 says so:
ALP $ zip3l fred.zip dka0:[utility.source.zip.zip31*...]*.*
Scanning files ................ ......
adding: [.utility.source.zip.zip31a.aosvs] (stored 0%)
[...]
I'd bet that the disk is busy, even with no
open files.
> Are all the files in one directory?
Did we ever get an answer to that?
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тАО09-03-2009 11:48 AM
тАО09-03-2009 11:48 AM
Re: ZIP performance
The next attempt will be to split the files into 10,000 file chunk subdirectories as suggested by Hein.
Cheers,
Art
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тАО09-03-2009 12:01 PM
тАО09-03-2009 12:01 PM