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G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Bryan Lucas_2
Occasional Advisor

G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I use stbtordr.exe to set the boot order on all my G1 machines, and attempt to use conrep.exe to set the boot order in the BIOS on my G3 machines, but the G3 machines always boot from floppy anyway.
The boot order appears as CD C: A: in the BIOS as it should, but boots to A:
I have tried the signdisk.exe utility unsuccessfully as well.

Note: we use automated build to create the arrays, partitions and logical drives via floppy, the change the boot order via command line and kickoff an unattended Windows build. Works fine on G1's; Need to manually eject the floppy on G2 and G3's.
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Bryan Lucas_2
Occasional Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I have two G3's doing the same. With boot order set to CD, Floppy, HD the server always boots from floppy if it is inserted. This causes problems when trying to perform an autoinstall of SuSE Enterprise Server 9 since it uses a floppy. Either you have to disable floppy boot in RBSU, or remove the diskette at the proper time during the installation. Bios is current: P28 9/15/2004

Anyone from HP with a solution?
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I tested the booting on a ML370 G3 Proliant lab computer. The default boot order was set in the RBSU (CD-ROM, then floppy). I put in a non-bootable floppy and a SmartStart 7.10 CD, which is of course bootable. Result = server booted from CD.
Could this be an issue other than the Proliant boot order? It seems to be working ok.
Bryan Lucas_2
Occasional Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I found a second floppy setting that must be changed as well. If you use the conrep util, the line is "Diskette_Boot Disabled".

If you go into the system configuration, there is another window to enter to disable the diskette booting...

So, I script a second import of a BIOS file to accomplish what we need to do...
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I get error [602 - diskette boot record error] if a non-bootable diskette is in the drive when booting on two G3 servers. The diskette drive is accessed PRIOR to POST reaching the RBSU prompt and processing the boot order. The boot order is irrelevant since this happens before the boot order is even considered. Only "disable floppy boot" in RBSU system options prevents this behavior. This does not happen if the diskette is bootable - in this case the diskette access ends, then booting from the 1st boot order device commences. Emails from support originally suggested they wanted to replace the main board to solve this. Now, no one is emailing any more. I suspect they don't want to believe the problem exists.
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Steve, can you tell us which Proliant G3 model you have?
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

The G3 is a 3.2Ghz Tower (P28). I now have a G4 (P50) with the same behavior.
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Steve - ML370?
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Yes, ML370-G3 and ML370-G4.
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Steve:
I have a ML370 G4 3.4 GHz model. BIOS is P50 (7/22/2004). I am unable to re-create the problem described. The boot order is default (CD-ROM, then floppy). It I put in a bootable CD & floppy, it boots from the CD. If there is no CD and a bootable floppy, it boots from the floppy.
I will do further searching here on the ITRC to see if any other users are reporting the same issue.
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Try it with a diskette that is NOT bootable. No matter what the Standard Boot Order is set to in the RBSU, the server boot will fail with:
602-Diskette Boot Record Error

The reason I have a non-bootable diskette in the server while it is booting is that this is normal for the Unattended Installation of SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 9 using a Autoyast diskette. While CD #4 is inserted, the server is rebooted to continue the installation process - but fails. This diskette contains installation preferences and settings in the file autoinst.xml.

Disabling diskette boot via RBSU seems extreme but at the moment is my only choice other than instructing users to remove the diskette (and then reinsert it) at the proper point in the installation. For some reason, which I have yet to determine, this usually results in a failure of the post.sh script (within autoinst.xml) to run and the installation is incomplete.

My test server is ML370-G4 (P50) 12/02/2004






Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Steve - update to the latest System BIOS for the ML370g4 (Jan 05, 2005) and let me know if you have the same issue:

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/download/22312.html

terri.harris@Hp.com
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

12/02/2004 is the latest:
Systems ROMPaq Firmware Upgrade Diskette for HP ProLiant ML370 G4 (P50) Servers
version 4.02 P50-12/02/2004 (12 Jan 05)

Jan 12 is the day HP posted it. The server displays 12/02/2004 wkhen booted.

I thought you mentioned your server with bios dated 7/??/2004 works fine? Shouldn't I be trying an old bios?
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Steve: The test ML370G4 server I have is now running the same BIOS version you are (I should have reported it as 12/02/04 and not the posted dated). And I cannot get this server to duplicate the problems you are having.
What happens if you have the SmartStart 7.10 CD inserted & a non-boot diskette? If you do not have the SS7.10, you can burn a CD from the image here:

http://h18004.www1.hp.com/support/files/server/us/subscription/PSM_subscription.html

terri.harris@hp.com
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Same problem using 'my' diskette and SmartStart 7.10. It turns out that this problem only occurs with 'my' diskette which is not a 'DOS' formatted diskette. 'My' diskette contains a Linux ext2 filesystem. Apparently the System BIOS only recognizes dos formatted diskettes.
To duplicate this you would have use a linux machine to create the diskette.
The 602-Diskette Boot Record Error occurs immediately after the diskette drive is accessed the first time - right after the server displays "Redunant ROM Detected - This system contains a valid backup system ROM" - within 30 seconds of turning on power.

Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

Thanks for the clarification, I'm checking into this. I know the first question will be if this occurs with any other server (different Proliant or non-HP server). Have you used this unattended install script on a different system?

terri.harris@hp.com
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

I have two ML370-G3's and 1 ML370-G4 that do this. I have a Dell Optiplex GX270 on my desktop which does not. The boot order on the Dell is set to CD, diskette, hard disk. When I insert my ext2 diskette and boot, the diskette is seen but ignored and the PC boots from the hard disk (grub boot of SLES9). Granted this in only a PC (at least a year old) and I only tested one other PC by only 1 vendor...
steve drake
Advisor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

See Flash Bios revision 1.27 for IBM eServer325. This version provides the following fix:
While boot from non-bootable floppy need to show error 602 and keep try other boot device.
This would prevent the trouble I am having.
This can be found at the following URL.
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=1201&uid=psg1MIGR-53061&loc=en_US
Terri Harris
Honored Contributor

Re: G3 always boots to floppy despite boot order

602 - Diskette Boot Record Error
Audible beeps: none
Possible cause: boot sector on the boot disk is corrupt.
Action: remove, replace or reformat diskette.

Note: The above information is available in the Proliant Servers Troubleshooting Guide:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00257512/c00257512.pdf

Steve - please email me directly with full address & server serial number so I can create a case for this issue. Any further detail on how unattended install was created would be helpful. Thanks!

terri.harris@hp.com