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Proliant 1600 Rack

 
Mike Percival_1
Occasional Advisor

Proliant 1600 Rack

1. Will this run XP professional?

2. Can I get one to boot from a regular IDE hard disk?

3. Can you still get spare parts?

4. Is £10 (US£18) a good price to pay for one of these with 2x9.1Gb Hdd and 4x 4.3Gb HDD?

4. How big a disk will these take? I've seen 200Gb SCSI disks and I think 6 of these would make a half reasonable store for all my MP3's.

5. Do I HAVE to use RAID? I'd rather just have each drive as a completely separate volume...this ISN'T going to be a mission critical application or web server....just a store for audio and video files.

Any information would be greatly appr
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Mike Percival_1
Occasional Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

the last line should finish with 'ted'.

Why does this site not display dollar or pound signs correctly?!!

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Mike Percival_1
Occasional Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

OK....so I've been offered a dozen (12) of these. Refurbished, one year guarantee...TEN UK Pounds (each) or 18 US dollars.

I won't bother if they won't run Windows 98 or XP!!
Sigurbjartur Helgason
Occasional Visitor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Hi,

1. It should run both Windows 98 and Windows XP. Mostly dependent on the CPU/Memory combination.

2. No.

3. I suppose, although I really have no idea.

4. I'd buy one for $18.
Don't know how big drives it takes. Might depends on whether it's a PII or PIII.

5. You do not need RAID, it has a dual-channel on-board SCSI controller.

Regards,
Sigurbjartur
Antonio Luiz de Oliveir
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

It will not run XP or 98 because they don´t support the memory used with this serve
Mike Percival
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Antonio...I'm sorry but I've NEVER heard of any computer that won't run an operating system because the memory is NOT supported!!!

RAM support is a function of the hardware chipset, and as long as the BIOS can identify and count the number of Mb of RAM and the RAM is of the correct type for the board then the OS should not matter.

The server is currently fitted with 256Mb of EDO 72 bit ECC registered memory, of the correct type, and according to the person who is giving me this unit, all Compaq Diagnostics report that the memory is ok.

Unless you know something about OS dependence of a particular memory type that I am unaware of, the memory should make no difference whether DOS, Win9x, XP or Linux is installed on any system!
Mike Percival
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Sigurbjartur...you tell me it will not boot from an IDE HDD. Will this boot from the IDE CD ROM, like other computers can from a 'Startup' or 'recovery' CD??
Mike Percival
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

The system has a single PII-400 cpu fitted and 256Mb of RAM. 9x only runs on single-processor systems. XP-Pro has support for multi-processor systems....well, two processors anyway. I don't really need SMP or high speed processing as all it will do is serve media files up to three network clients. I just need the storage and networking capabilities.
Hugo Teerds
Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Hi Mike.

The 1600's will not boot from IDE HDD's, because the IDE bus on Proliant servers is designed one way only: they only do reads from devices as such CD-ROM's. Writing goes only through the SCSI bus.
But I have seen messages here of these machines running ME and XP. They fetch prices at teh moment on eBay and sites like that of about 50 to 150 euro's, depending on RAID-cards, memory and disks. So your offfer is at the moment a fairly good deal. Parts are abundant on the internet (cheap) and available from HP-Compaq (expensive).
As I understand there are no limits to the size of the disks. Compaq SCSI disks are fairly expensive as compared to IDE ones of general suppliers, even at 18 and 36 Gb, so thinking of 200 Gb's in 10 pound computers would certainly be a very special experience.

But there are some other conciderations to servers as opposed to desktops. They draw a lot more power, generate a good deal more heath (they are quite capable of heating a normal room, so most serverrooms are airconditioned just to get rid of it!) and especially the Proliants make very much noise with powerful fans to get all that energy out of the cabin. So you would think twice before placing one in your house, even in another room, let alone several of them.

With kind regards,
Hugo Teerds.
You can always improve!
Mike Percival_1
Occasional Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Hugo...thanks for the very helpful advice. Power isn't an issue! The input rating of this device is 500watts, with 350 watts of DC power available. The three ITX computers that this will be 'serving' have each replaced Athlon XP systems which used to draw 200-300 watts each. The ITX systems draw 23! My total energy consumption will in all likelihood go down slightly!

If it won't boot from IDE then no worries! I'll just have to make a set of floppies for all the utilities, diagnostics and setup.

Yes, parts from Compaq (now HP) are very expensive, but I'd use Maxtor, Seagate or Western Digital drives from a cheaper source. SCSI is SCSI....is SCSI...brand isn't important! A 100Gb SCSI disk isn't THAT much more expensive than a 200GB IDE if you shop around.

Heat isn't an issue. Like I said, this will be in my garage, which is well ventilated and extremely cold in winter. As I live in England, the summers don't get too hot either! As the garage is made of brick, sound isn't an issue either. If my experience of Compaq Deskpros is anything to go by, Compaq always used extremely quiet fans. I have a rack of 12 DeskPro EN's in a small cupboard with no ventilation to speak of and you can't hear them with the door shut!
Mike Percival_1
Occasional Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Answering my own questions, using the 'buy it then try it' method:

1. Yes, it does run XP. In fact, from a standing start, I installed 98SE from a cd using a boot floppy. The system worked perfectly under 98 (Antonio...take note!) except that it wouldn't recognise the ATM card that the previous owner fitted. It did also pick up an Intel USB controller but said there was a resource conflict. As I couldn't see a USB port anywhere, I simply disabled it! Every other device was natively supported by 98. On upgrading to XP Pro, even the USB and ATM (ForeRunner PCA-200E) worked with XP native drivers. All I had to do was download the Compaq Array Manager to monitor the status of the disks.

2. Guess what....it booted fine from an IDE disk!!

3. Well, I just lost out on a second VRM on eBay today...but I found some components in my scrap box and hand wired another. Two 600MHz CPUS from a local auction ($1 the pair) and plenty more scrap Compaq parts out there...these were built in the UK, it seems so there are LOTS of spares here for crazy low prices!

4. Some idiot is attempting to sell one identical on eBay for 199 pounds (about $360)...and a bigger idiot has bid for it!

4a. Just found some 120Gb SCA ULTRA WIDE Quantum drives for twenty pounds each ($36). Five of these.....oh yeah Mama!!!

5. Apparently not. It is eminently possible to assign a logical drive entirely to one physical disk, and thus disable raid. Well, I'm not that stupid so a put a pair of drives in as Array A (Raid 0+1) for the OS and temporary swap files and set the other 3 up as storage for streaming data to the workstations with one logical partition of 160Gb.

So...thank you one and all for the advice, input and answers (some right, some wrong), but at the end of the day, the only way to get to the bottom of all the mysteries is to just 'plug and play'!!

Mike Percival
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

Addendum:

IDE Port read only? Nope. It's definitely a 'standard' bidirectional port as my HP DVD writer works just fine! It's also a lot cheaper than the DLT drive, as well as much faster and backing up 9.4Gb of data only takes 7 minutes!
Mike Percival
Frequent Advisor

Re: Proliant 1600 Rack

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