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What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

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Hardydrewandthenancyboy
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What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

Supposing I have a single P4300 G2 in RAID5 configuration. So if it is 1TB disks giving 16TB native, I might have 12TB ish in usable space with raid5.
There is an active-active controller per node but is the second controller of any use to me if the first controller fails?
If I have network raid across the two nodes then yes but what if I'm using RAID5 across the whole box only?

 

 

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Uwe Zessin
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Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

I am not sure what you mean by "active-active controller per node" - from what I have learned, a P4300/P4500 storage node is a special-branded ProLiant server running SAN/iQ.

Network RAID-5 requires 4 storage nodes.
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Hardydrewandthenancyboy
Frequent Advisor

Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

thanks for the reply, that was a quote from the quickspecs.
From what you say node=proliant server. So unless we configure network raid across the two Proliant servers that come within the P4300 then we will have a complete failure if one of the two Proliant servers in there fails?

So then we are forced into raid10 (which halves the usable space) or to buy a second P4300 if we dont want the nodes to each be a single point of failure?
Hardydrewandthenancyboy
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Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

Maybe rather than "network raid" I should say mirroring across the two nodes.
Patrick Terlisten
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Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

Hello,

you have to configure the volumes with nRAID 10. In this case, two nodes are sufficient and if one node fails, the data is still available. A controller is a single node. So if HP is talking about dual-controller active-active, they mean at least a cluster with two nodes. A node is a controller. Each node has a Smart Array controller for the disks, so a single or double disk failure (regarding of the raid level) is covered by the Smart Array. A node failure is covered by network RAID.

Nework RAID 5 needs 3+1 nodes, so you need at least four nodes to use nRAID 5. For nRAID 6 (4+2) you need six nodes. nRAID 10 (two nodes), nRAID 10+1 (three nodes) and nRAID 10+2 (four nodes).

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Patrick
Best regards,
Patrick
Uwe Zessin
Honored Contributor

Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

Agree, the P4000 is a grid storage system and not a tradtional two-controller(module) storage array.

I explain "Dual Active/Active Controllers" so that a (simple) P4000 cluster has two storage nodes
which both provide services (Network RAID (NR-)0 or 10 volumes) to clients. There is no "standby storage node" like on the old MSA1000 with "active/passive" software.

And you are correct that NR-0 does not provide redundancy. If a storage node goes down, even if its temporary - all NR-0 volumes are (temporarily) unavailable.


On the other hand, you can grow pretty easy:

Start with a two-node cluster and NR-10.

If you need more space, expand with a third node - SAN/iQ can make use of the additional capacity AND retain NR-10 on the volumes.
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Hardydrewandthenancyboy
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Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

thanks alot. Can you explain how the data is spread if you have three nodes and NR-10? Surely you would need four nodes?
Uwe Zessin
Honored Contributor

Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

Let's say we have nodes: 1, 2, 3
and our data blocks are: A, B, C, D, ...

Then NR-0 is layed out like:
1-A, 2-B, 3-C
1-D, 2-E, 3-F
1-G, ...

NR-10 is layed out something like:
1-A, 2-A, 3-B
1-C, 2-B, 3-C
1-D, 2-D, 3-E
1-F, 2-E, 3-F

And NR-10+1:
1-A, 2-A, 3-A
1-B, 2-B, 3-B
1-C, 2-C, 3-C
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Hardydrewandthenancyboy
Frequent Advisor

Re: What if: controller fails with a single P4300 G2

makes sense, thank you