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Routing Switch or Router

I am in the process of considering upgrading 3 or 4 ccts to 'LES10', connectivity at 10MHz.
These sites will probably be limited to 40 terminals. They were previously coming via a 256Kb link.
As I do not want to expand the broadcast domain, I do not particularily wish to join the site directly into the main netork, enabling me to keep different IP subnets. Therefore I will need to either utilise a router, or a Routing Switch.
Has any one got any comments between the choice of Router and Routing Switch.
If Routing Switch, this will most likely be the HP9304, as I am assuming this is the smallest routing switch available (in the HP range)?
Thanks in advance.
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Mohamed Hamedi
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

Have you looked at the 5300?
OLARU Dan
Trusted Contributor

Re: Routing Switch or Router

I think the HP 9304 is too big for what you need.

You might try Cisco 1721 modular router equipped with 1 (or 2) 4-port 10/100BASE-T Fast Ethernet Switch WAN Interface Card (part number WIC-4ESW).

It Gives you a total of 5 (or 9) FastEthernet ports, since you have one 10/100BASE-T port built-in.

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Thanks,

That is giving me some ideas to think about.
OLARU Dan
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

You might need a new IOS image, though. I phisically installed the WIC in the router, but it did not recognized it: Cisco documentation says I need to upgrade the IOS. See this:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis2600/hw_inst/wic_inst/wic_doc/wanlan.htm#wp68345

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Thanks Dan.

All information is useful. This unfortunately looks as if I will be going with this solution. Although a HP9304, would enable me to put all the servers onto a Gigabit backbone, and provide the routing VLANs, the cost factor is still a bit high.
OLARU Dan
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

Dave,

as I catch up with Cisco intricacies, I find out that one can't use two WIC-4ESW cards on 1721 router, even with an appropriate IOS! Maybe you can on 1750 or 1760 - but not on 1721.

So be careful before you buy something.

P.S. Thanks for the points!
Dan

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Dan,

Yeah! I noticed in the documentation it says that only one 4port interface can be installed into a router. Have you now had experiance of this new card? Will I be able to route between each individual interface? The documentation is not as clear as it could be. There appears to be a limit of 10MFDx for routing between the interfaces, as I quote. "Inter-VLAN traffic and routed traffic that require processing by the host CPU are limited to 10Mbps (full duplex) because the CPU Ethernet port is operating at 10Mbps."
The HP9304, still looks promisisng.

I need to confirm if the 5300 routing capabilities are the same as the HP9304 and what the price differences are.

Thanks
OLARU Dan
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

Dave,
I first need to buy the license for an IOS version that supports the WIC-4ESW. I estimate this will happen in 2 months.

Myself I'm very curious to see if I can use the WIC for what I initially wanted: 100Mbps routing. As far as the documentation sounds I might be disappointed.
Ernest Ford
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

As far as I know - the WIC-4ESW - is simply a 4 port switch. I believe it will appear as a single ethernet interface and would not permit routing between the different switch ports.

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Ernest,

How about if each port was a seperate VLAN, would we be able to assign an IP address to each port and use the router to route between the vlan's?

If not is the only other solution a singluar port interface as of a WIC-1ENET, for each circuit?

Thanks all,for your replies

David H
Ernest Ford
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

I take that back - I've seen several conflicting documents on whether the WIC-4ESW does/does-not support layer3 switching - however I've just come across something else that says "The switch is a Layer2 Ethernet switch with Layer3 routing capability. (Layer 3 routing is forwarded to the host, and is not actually performed at the switch)"

My apologies for confusing the issue.
Einar_3
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

If you're looking for a device for VLAN segmentation and inter-vlan routing, and only need ethernet interfaces, I would suggest a HP5300XL switch. This device is efficient for IP routing at wire-speed, and provides DHCP relay function and basic TCP/UDP access list filtering. This switch will also provide gigabit access for your servers, especially with the new modules. For routing of other protocols than TCP/IP and for more comprehensive security you might need a L4-switch like 9300. Keep also in mind the life-time warranty for HP5300 which you won't have for Cisco and HP9300

Einar

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Ernest,

I agree with the confusing! The more you read, the more confusing it is. Do they mean it is layer 3 routing for the interface, or for each port? ? ?
It would be nice to have feedback from some one who has used the interface in anger.

Einar,

Thanks. I will look into the pricing for the HP5300.
Stuart Teo
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

David,

I'm not too sure how many ports you need but I like (and use a lot of) the 5308xl very much. It has 8 slots that you can populate with modules. The modules currently available are:

1) 24 port 10/100 TX
2) 4 port 10/100/1000 TX
3) 4 port mini-GBICs
4) 12 port MTRJ 100 FX

There's supposed to be a 16 port 10/100/1000 TX coming out soon. The mini-GBICs available are SX, LX and LH. HP consistently releases new firmwares for the 5300xl series that adds features.

It currently already have basic routing (static, RIP, OSPF). It has enough space on-unit to store 2 copies of firmware so that you can have 1 version running and 1 version backing it up or simply having the 2nd one as a redundant should the primary corrupt.

I also like the fact that I can use ssh and https to connect to the 5300xl instead of telnet and http. I've also tested it with TACAS+ and it works beautifully. I would seriously recommend that you go to http://www.hp.com/rnd and read the user docs. It'll give you good insight.
If a problem can be fixed, there's nothing to worry. If a problem can't be fixed, worrying ain't gonna help. Bottom line: don't worry.
Stuart Teo
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Re: Routing Switch or Router

David,

Regarding pricing, here are the parts you can order.

1) 5304xl which has 4 empty slots;

2) 5308xl which has 8 empty slots and double the backplane of the 5304xl;

3) 5348xl which is a 5304xl + 2 modules of 24 port 10/100 TX

4) 5372xl which is a 5308xl + 3 modules of 24 port 10/100 TX

Hope this info helps.
If a problem can be fixed, there's nothing to worry. If a problem can't be fixed, worrying ain't gonna help. Bottom line: don't worry.

Re: Routing Switch or Router

Many Thanks for the help.
A HP 5308 was purchased for the job.