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HP-UX 11 on C8000, and alternatives

I have the chance to buy an "unused" C8000. The seller told me that I could download HP UX 11 (not sure if this means from his site or from the HP site).

Q1 Where can I find the documentation for the "C8000 HP UX 11" , and a list of apps and tools that can be installed from the installation media , especially: Q1a Which compilers (which versions) are part of the distribution Q1b Is Gnu C available (which version)? Q1c Which windowmanagers are present (I suppose X11 is running out of the box; am I right?) Q1d Is TeX/LaTeX present?

Q2 Can anyone give me a hint, if the current Gentoo hppa port runs on that machine (the link to the requirements on the hppa teams page is broken somehow).

Q3 As I read, the C8000 has an EIDE port. Is that a 40 or 44 pin port? Has anyone tried to install a DOM module in it and run the OS from there?

Thanks

Thomas

 

 

 

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Re: HP-UX 11 on C8000, and alternatives

> I have the chance to buy an "unused" C8000. [...]

   Why would you want one?

> [...] The seller told me that I could download HP UX 11 (not sure if
> this means from his site or from the HP site).

   Have you tried to find an HP-UX kit of any kind, any place?  Has your
"The seller"?  So far as I know, unless you have a service agreement,
you won't get anything from HPE.  I haven't looked for (old) CD-ROMs on
Ebay recently, but I'd guess that they're rare.  I'd guess that
"informal channels" would be your only hope for an installation kit.

> Q1 Where can I find the documentation for the "C8000 HP UX 11" [...]

   This new Inter-Web thing seems to have some search capabilities.
"HP-UX 11" could mean many things.  But I'd guess that, for that system,
you'd be looking at HP-UX 11i v1 (11.11).

> Q2 Can anyone give me a hint, if the current Gentoo hppa port runs on
> that machine (the link to the requirements on the hppa teams page is
> broken somehow).

   If you can't even find the requirements, then, given the age of this
stuff, I'd guess that interest is pretty low.

> Q3 As I read, [...]

   What, exactly, did you read where, exactly?

> [...] Has anyone tried to install a DOM module in it and run the OS
> from there?

   What's "a DOM module"?

   A quick Web search for, say, "HP C8000" should find links to much
information.  Some might be useful to an antique collector.

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With the C8000, you have to load 11i v1 TCOE or MTOE, so either of the Technical Operating Environments. It cant run v2 or v3 (11.23 or 11.31). On the link below is the 11i overview that includes the TCOE that you need so you can see if what you need is in there.  click on the tcoe_mcoe_.pdf

http://www.cypress-tech.com/page1.html

Hope it helps.

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>> The seller told me that I could download HP UX 11 (not sure if this means from his site or from the HP site).

The seller told you wrong - assuming he was talking about what you could "legally" do. HP-UX is a chargeable product. Getting a license to use costs money. If the seller didn't include the license in what he sold you, then he has misrepresented what he has sold. I can't comment on the legality of that wherever you or the seller live.

You might be able to acquire a license and installation media elswehere - I won't comment on the legality of that.

The only way to get 11iv1 (11.11 - the last version of HP-UX to be supported on the C8000) from HPE would be to purchase a HP-UX11iv3 license together with a software update contract. That would entitle you to downgrade from 11iv3 to 11iv1 and access the media through HPE's support website. However I expect that would cost many time what you paid for the workstation.

>> Q1 Where can I find the documentation for the "C8000 HP UX 11" 

For the C8000 you won't find anything on hp.com or hpe.com any more - this product went end-of-sale and end-of-support a long time ago. However there are plenty of sites out there that specialise in manuals for old kit - a google search on "c8000 manual" should turn up plenty - took me 30 seconds to locate one that answered your EIDE question below.

>>  and a list of apps and tools that can be installed from the installation media 

Jesse has given you a link that tells you what's in the 11iv1 TCOE or MTOE - I will only add that you can probably also install any of the other OEs available for 11iv1 on the system as well if you really want to. I think I have the MCOE on my C7000 for example (which I use headless, so I don't miss not having all the graphical tools etc)

>>  Q1a Which compilers (which versions) are part of the distribution

None. There is a very rudimentary C compiler in the OS, but it's really there to compile kernel modules when required - it won't work like any reasonmable modern compiler. There were commercial compilers for C/C++, Fortran, COBOL etc. sold bt HP and others and available for HP-UX back when it was sold/supported. Good luck finding any of them now.

Of course you can source compilers from elsewhere - there are plenty at the HP-UX porting and archive center here http://hpux.connect.org.uk/ including GNU C/C++. Lots of other software there to.

>> Q1b Is Gnu C available (which version)? 

Yes - see above..

>> Q1c Which windowmanagers are present (I suppose X11 is running out of the box; am I right?)

You are going to be stuck with X11/CDE - there's some very old GNOME stuff out there if you look real hard, but good luck getting any of it working. X11/CDE should work out of the box without any issues.

>> Q1d Is TeX/LaTeX present?

Don't know - never had cause to use it.

>> Q2 Can anyone give me a hint, if the current Gentoo hppa port runs on that machine (the link to the requirements on the hppa teams page is broken somehow)

I have no direct experience, but this page suggests that C8000 workstations are supported - https://parisc.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Hardware_support As Steven noted, you will be in a very small group of people if you choose to run Linux on a PA-RISC system - I've come across maybe one person who did that about 10 years ago.

>> Q3 As I read, the C8000 has an EIDE port. Is that a 40 or 44 pin port? 

It's 40 pin - see diagram here: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/275185/Hp-C8000.html?page=104#manual

>> Has anyone tried to install a DOM module in it and run the OS from there?

If the DOM module properly emulates IDE then I can't see why it wouldn't work, but never heard of anyone trying it - I would caution that these HP workstations do generally tend to be much more "sensitive" to non-supported hardware than a typical PC would be. However I have an "amazon special" $20 CD-ROM drive working fine in my C7000, so you might luck out.


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Re: HP-UX 11 on C8000, and alternatives

About the HPUX 11.11 OS license related , you may clarify with the re-seller.

Also HPUX 11.11 is also out-of-support by HPE, and Please note  C8000 is an EOS product long time back.

Regarding other questions  i can see well answered by Duncan. Thank you Duncan. 


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Re: HP-UX 11 on C8000, and alternatives

As long as you don't have a special need for HP-UX with a graphics card, better get a normal PC.

There was a Debian Linux for this system many years back.

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Re: HP-UX 11 on C8000, and alternatives

Thanks.

To make things clear:

I haven't bought that machine yet. I wanted to clarify the open points first.

The license would have been part of the deal, of course.

Also: Rudimentary C compiler would have been enough, as long as the covered C standard is high enough for bootstrapping.