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Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

Hello,

I'm looking at getting a HP-UX system for messing around with at home. Most of my UNIX experience is with Linux (RedHat, Debian), FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Solaris and IRIX. I've got a decent collection of systems, including Cray j90 series, Sun, SGI, and lots of oddball machines.

I understand that HP-UX has some pretty strict licensing, more so than the more popular OSes. If I get a j6000 series machine, what issues are I going to hit trying to bring it up? My goal is just to play with HPUX since it's been years since I've messed with it. We had a box at NASA running OpenView, but rapidly replaced it with a few perl scripts and it was sent to surplus.

I had a OpenVMS hobbyist license for the pile of Dec Alphaservers I had... is there anything like that for HPUX? Or do I need not worry about licensing for the base OS and what not?
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

hi,

Strictly speaking you need a licence per CPU for the Base OS.

that aside, its only a piece of paper, and no lic keys are required with the installation. But to be covered legally as you should be.

But also the workstation would have originally been supplied with HPUX and the licence for it. So the system would have a lic tied to it. You can get the lic transfered over to you, but its quite along process and would only cover the version of HPUX that was originally released/installed on it, or whatever was on support with it.

The J6000 is a workstation so would probably be 11.i(11.11) and thi is the last release for workstation support.

Once you get your machine you can contact HP licencing and check with them? You will need the serial number and proof of ownership.

http://licensing.hp.com/welcome.slm

Or if you buy one from a reseller they should provide you with a replacement lic for it.
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

Yes, unlike VMS, all you need functionally
is the installation medium kit. Legality is
another question, but the Software Police
haven't found me (or my c3700) yet.

Also unlike VMS, you're pretty much stuck
with GCC, because you can't get a free
compiler license, and those _are_
codeword-enforced. (There is the bundled C
compiler, but on an old PA-RISC system, it's
pretty lame.) It's hard to beat Sun's price
structure on this stuff.
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

Shalom,

HP has test drive programs, and no open source free versions. Its a proprietary OS.

The media itself costs $300 and is certainly affordable. You must secure a LTU, License to Use when buying the hardware. Legitimate venders transport the LTU with the hardware.

You need a license to use the OS. Often people selling used systems on ebay will also sell the media. I'm not certain of the legality of that situation.

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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

> HP has test drive programs, and no open
> source free versions. It[']s a proprietary
> OS.

You should get out more.

HP has VMS, which is a proprietary,
closed-source operating system with a (free)
Hobbyist license program, which includes
licenses for the OS and a whole pile of
layered products.

http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/

> The media itself costs $300 and is
> certainly affordable.

$300 for a few CD-ROMs "certainly
affordable"? You're joking, right? Not for
me. Not for a system which cost less than
half that. A VMS Hobbyist CD-ROM costs $30.
I would call $30 affordable. And you're free
to borrow a kit if you can find one. (Which
you'll need to do for an IA64 system until
the Hobbyist folks offer an IA64 DVD.)

Sun's free Solaris kit downloads include real
Solaris, not only OpenSolaris, by the way.

http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp
http://developers.sun.com/sunstudio/downloads/index.jsp

Please wake me when I can get a free C
compiler license from HP for HP-UX.
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

>Steven: Please wake me when I can get a free C
compiler license from HP for HP-UX.

Have a nice long nap Rip. :-)

gcc isn't good enough for you?

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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

> gcc isn't good enough for you?

While sub-ideal, it's good enough for me in
general, but trying to ensure that the
Info-ZIP programs, for example, are clean in
many popular environments is easier if I can
use local hardware for testing, instead of
relying on the TestDrive systems.

For free, I can do VMS (VAX, Alpha, IA64) and
Solaris (SPARC, x86). (And Mac OS X with its
own special Xcode GCC.) For a one-time (long
ago) fee of $100, I can do Tru64. HP-UX is
the only system type I have where there's no
free/cheap access to the vendor's C compiler.
Call me a whiner.
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

>but trying to ensure that the Info-ZIP programs, for example, are clean in many popular environments

Ah, if you are providing that service, you should join DSPP and mention that:
http://www.hp.com/go/dspp
(Unfortunately I can't connect to it now.)
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

> [...] you should join DSPP [...]

And I think that HP should _let_ me join
DSPP, but HP apparently disagrees. When last
I looked, the DSPP was looking only for
people who _sell_ software, _not_ for people
who give it away. Has this changed? I
believe that I went through the whole,
tedious application procedure once, and got
rejected for precisely this reason.

http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.b808367c27274c47e06ff7104894e601

[...]
Membership requirements include:
[...]
* Have at least one product or service commercially available, or plan on porting to an HP platform
[...]

They seem to take that "commercially" bit
very seriously. But, hey. If you can get
me in, I'll go.
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Re: Licensing? Hobbyist licenses?

Thanks for the info! I've acquired a rs/6000 but haven't bought the HP yet (I plan to though).

With regards to the HP compilers, SGI had something similar called MIPSPro. The interesting thing was that trying to use MIPSPro to compile open source software was often troublesome, as perhaps it tends to not be written to ansi C or written well, so it could take some work to get stuff to compile. You could easily see who writes stuff that compiles good, versus stuff that didn't though!

I will be buying from eBay, and not a VAR of any sorts. Cheap is the name of the game, as it's just a curiosity since I don't have much HP-UX experience.