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01-19-2016 08:30 AM - edited 09-14-2017 07:06 AM
01-19-2016 08:30 AM - edited 09-14-2017 07:06 AM
Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
We have had a HP P2000 G3 drive array system in my workplace since 2010. In 2014, one of its power supplies failed and we bought a new one for about 250 USD (the system wasn't covered by warranty anymore). But this replacement power supply failed in 2015, a little over year after its purchase. In the meantime, the P2000 systems became obsolete and the price of new PSU has jumped to hefty 500 USD. We have found cheaper ones on Ebay, but they were either used or the sellers didn't ship to my country. So my colleagues asked me to look and try to repair them. I was successfull and I figured I should share my findings online.
WARNING! The repair should be done only by skilled technician with appropriate education in electrical engineering! Improperly performed repair may result in electric shock (and even death) or destruction of your equipment! Also, disassembling the power supply automatically voids its warranty, possibly even warranty of your entire P2000 system.
All 3 power supplies (1 good and 2 bad) we have are model YM-3591A, option AR, revision A. Interestingly, all have SA060Axxxxxxxxxx serial numbers, despite they were bought at completely different times. Both faulty units reported these errors in the System Events interface:
Disk enclosure event: fault. (enclosure: 1, WWN: 500xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) power supply 1, power supply status: Over voltage, DC failure
The orange/amber LEDs on the units also lit up when the errors appeared. Initially, the errors randomly disappeared and reappeared, but after a weeks, they became permanent. I measured the output voltages with multimeter and oscilloscope, but all voltages and ripple were well within tolerances, even under heavy load. Thus I concluded that PSUs themselves work fine and only their over-voltage detectors are faulty. However, the detectors are very complex (several ICs surrounded by about 100 passive components), so I tried to find their schematic online. I didn't find one, but in desperate attempts to google it I came across a public FTP server of the PSU's manufacturer, 3Y Power Technology in China. Among other stuff, it contained an Excel table with fault analysis of several dozen PSUs returned via RMA. From it, I learned that the leading cause of failures in SA060Axxxxxxxxxx production run PSUs were only 3 components: resistors R441 and R453 and fuse F401. Also, their failures were almost always indicated by orange/amber LED, just like our 2 bad PSUs. These components were hidden under thick white silicone (?) putty, which I had to remove. They were rather hard to find, so I'm attaching photo with their location.
-Resistor R441 has marking 83B, under EIA-96 code it means it has 7.15 kohm.
-Resistor R453 has marking 79B, so it has 6.49 kohm.
-Fuse F401 has marking 0 and I think the manufacturer simply replaced it with 0-ohm resistor to save money.
In our case, both PSUs had faulty R441. When I measured them on boards with ohmmeter, they had roughly 10 kohm, which was immediately suspect - a resistor connected in parallel with some other components should always read same or lower resistance than its nominal value. But to be sure, I also measured all 3 components in the good PSU:
-Resistor R441 measured 4.2 kohm
-Resistor R453 measured 3.9 kohm
-Fuse F401 had under 1 ohm.
That confirmed our R441s were really bad. I didn't have 7.15k resistors in 0603 package on hand, so I replaced them with 8.2k and 56k in parallel. After that, the PSUs worked normally again, no errors, no orange/amber LED. Personally, I think the faults were caused by that nasty silicone putty. The bad resistors I desoldered measured open, but they didn't look burned; most likely they cracked internally. The putty probably exerted some added mechanical force on them and they couldn't handle it during thermal cycling. That would explain why the PSU errors sometimes disappeared. Unfortunately, the putty covers many more SMD components, which means that such cracks could develop in parts other than listed in the Excel table.
And here are some other things I learned about the PSUs:
-The PSUs contain Atmel ATMega8L microcontroller which is used to communicate with the P2000 chassis. In one PSU that oscillated between good/faulty states particularly often, this firmware became corrupted. The P2000 chassis then listed the PSU as "unknown device". Fortunately, the firmware wasn't locked inside MCU's Flash memory, so I could "transplant" both Flash and EEPROM contents from the good PSU to the bad one. The PSU has 6-pin Atmel ISP header to connect the programmer, I'm attaching a photo with pin functions. But keep in mind that all our PSUs were from the same revision and even same production run, I have no idea what may happen if you "transplant" the firmware between different ones.
-You can find standalone 24C64 serial EEPROM connected to the microcontroller. Presumably, it is used to store PSU's serial number (so it won't get deleted in case of MCU firmware update).
-PSU output voltages are a bit unusual, there are +12V, +5.1V and +3.36V standby outputs. See the picture of the main connector.
-As became the norm lately, the +5.1V voltage is produced from +12V by DC/DC converter.
-When you connect the PSU to the mains voltage, only the 3.36V standby voltage appears at its output. The ATMega8L MCU is also powered by this voltage. To start the main voltages, you need to short the starting pin to ground (similar to ordinary PC PSUs). The starting pin is a bit shorter than others, so it is easy to find.
-The PSUs can be run with no load without any apparent problems; I run them idle for at least 5 minutes and nothing bad happened.
If you encounter other faults in these (or other HP) PSUs and manage to repair them, please let us know in this forum. I spent quite some time figuring this all out, so don't be lazy and share your findings, too!
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08-10-2016 09:48 PM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Came to repair the power supply YM-3591AAR.
Serial number SA060Axxxxxxxxxx. Replaced the faulty Resistor R411. For parallel resistors, the 8.2 kω and 56 kω. Now when the switch unit is in the power mode (standby) is lit green and yellow led. With the closure pin PSU start to the housing, the power supply starts, the yellow led goes out. All voltages are normal. Bus +12 volts loaded to a resistor of 15.7 Ohms 30 Wat. When open (pin PSU start) the power supply stalls. In what direction to look? May be required to close the control compensation of the supply of tires to the relevant motherboard pins? Where are they? Is there a diagram of the response of the connector?
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12-12-2016 08:05 AM - edited 12-12-2016 08:17 AM
12-12-2016 08:05 AM - edited 12-12-2016 08:17 AM
Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
@Serdg: Unfortunately, I can't tell you what is wrong with your PSU without looking at it. But the Excel table I've attached to my first post lists many other problems and their possible sources (faulty components). Try to check them. Also, the resistors in "my" PSUs cracked because of white putty that was covering them. You may try to remove it from the entire board and check all components underneath it.
As far as I can tell, there is no publicly available documentation of what the other pins on the main connector do.
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12-12-2016 07:09 PM
12-12-2016 07:09 PM
Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Thank You Zdomici !
One cooler was not working. Replacement with serviceable solved the problem.
YM-3591AAR
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01-08-2017 07:07 AM
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02-22-2017 04:30 AM - edited 02-22-2017 04:50 AM
02-22-2017 04:30 AM - edited 02-22-2017 04:50 AM
Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi Alexij, I'm really glad my post has helped other people. I'm rather curious how long will your PFC and rectifier repairs last. Over the years, I've repaired several different SMPS for consumer electronics, but usually they didn't survive for long. For example, I successfully replaced semiconductors for the main voltages, but a few months later, something else failed (standby voltage supply or filtering capacitors, for example). Consumer stuff is simply designed for low cost, not for longevity. On the other hand, YM-3591AAR are server PSUs, so maybe they won't suffer from this.
Anyway, about your questions:
1. Thanks!
2. I believe NDF stands for No Defect Found. This may cover situations when PSUs showed faults in actual disk arrays (due to heat, vibrations, etc.) but the faults didn't appear when they tested the returned PSUs in 3Y factory.
3. Like I wrote in the original post, I think the resistor faults were caused by white putty on some parts of the PSU. Or maybe the resistors were from a bad production batch. That would explain why 2 resistors caused so large percentage of faults. But yes, your vibrating cable hypothesis may be true, too.
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05-19-2017 04:38 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hello!
A faulty resistor P278 is detected (thanks to the table).
I suspect that this is not the only problem, because The resistors themselves do not break.
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05-23-2017 11:54 PM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Has been restored after replacing one resistor!
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09-14-2017 06:24 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi! I have a question. Your material repair unique! I want to raise the voltage of 12 volts . Make it to 13.8 volts. The fans are spinning at maximum rpm. I want to lower the revs. Many server power supplies allow you to do this. It is necessary to manipulate with the external pins (pins) But are the other manufacturers. On the forums write a lot. I use the power supply for their needs. You have the appointment of the external pins? All the best!
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09-14-2017 06:50 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Like I wrote earlier, I was unable to find schematic or pinout anywhere. If you find it, please post it here.
If you want to increase the 12V output voltage, you can also do it the hard way: You can analyze the 12V converter and identifiy its main switching control IC. Then you can find its datasheet and see how its feedback loop is connected. It should be possible to increase the voltage by changing components (usually resistors) in the feedback loop. However, I doubt it will be that easy - the PSU has extensive over-voltage protection circuits which will intervene and stop the PSU if you raise the output voltage too much. Also, there is a small 12V->5V converter and it may not like the increased voltage, either.
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09-30-2017 08:05 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Thank you! There are easier ways to adjust the voltage. Your feedback option is very complicated. He has no right to life. This global transformation leads to collapse. There are a lot of interesting information on these resources.
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01-07-2020 06:07 PM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi,
I have the same problem, when connecting the power cord the orange LED lights up but the server does not turn on. Both resistors are OK, R441 and R453 and also the F401 fuse. There are some flaws in the spreadsheet for the R278 and R535, but I can't find these two, you know their location?
Thanks.
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01-08-2020 01:51 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
No, I don't. But they're probably hidden under the white putty somewhere, the manufacturer's documents point to it as the main cause of the cracking resitors. You will have to carefully remove it and search for them. Please post photos if you find them.
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01-08-2020 03:44 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi, folks!
Here are pictures. R535 (1k) is on CPU daughtercard between two electrolitic caps. R278 (3k3) is on the main board below the right optocoupler. Unfortunately in my case both appeared to be OK. If you have some new ideas do not hesitate to post them . My PS is cleaned fron "white putty"
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01-08-2020 03:47 AM
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01-08-2020 12:50 PM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi Alexij,
Thanks for the info, these two resistors are also OK, I will look for the other components
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03-31-2020 02:28 AM - edited 03-31-2020 02:46 AM
03-31-2020 02:28 AM - edited 03-31-2020 02:46 AM
Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
I have not looked here for a long time. I replaced the resistor R149 with 3.65 k. Now, by adjusting the tuning resistor VR101 - I got 14.04 volts at the output of the power supply. Protection circuits and error compensation work within the factory settings. But I need 15-16 volts at the output. I am looking for a solution, but have not yet found it. Here are some circuit diagrams. Surely there are a lot of mistakes. But this gives at least some idea (global) of the regulation and feedbacks. My goal was to increase the tension. Therefore, I paid little attention to drawing nodes that I did not need.
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03-31-2020 02:40 AM - edited 03-31-2020 02:41 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
I need a power supply for the charger of car batteries. So I use another, quiet fan. To do this, I had to trick two fans of the power supply. I made a generator on a 74HC14D chip. Two generators in one chip case. Each generator for each fan. The pulse frequency corresponds to the average frequency of the tacho pulses of the native fans. (a typical scheme, I lost or wrote down on paper at that moment). Now I can turn on the fan only when a certain temperature is reached. I made a thermal switch circuit for another fan. It has no PWM adjustment. I would be grateful if someone would continue my work to increase the output voltage.
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03-31-2020 02:55 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Here are some of the documentation.
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04-01-2020 10:26 PM
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More data. There are many mistakes, but for me it does not matter. I am making a block diagram. My goal is to understand and increase the output voltage. Maybe someone will continue my work. I will experiment. If there is a positive result, then I will draw a sequence. And let the virus bypass us all!
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
There is a transistor Q147. It seems to be 19 volts in standby mode. But now my power supply is broken. It goes instantly into protection mode. The duty room is working. Everything happened when the power supply was raised above the table. My fingers touched the findings of the elements when I turned it over to measure the parameters. He screamed and went away in defense. Since then, he will blink at the start and go to defense. That's all. The experiment is probably over.
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04-11-2020 11:13 PM
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I threw out the 5.1 V / V converter unit completely, unsoldered the board. And the power supply started without this board. The transistor U604 042N03LS broke through it. And probably the U31460 chip. But I do not need 5 volts.
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11-26-2020 06:55 AM - last edited on 11-27-2020 01:43 AM by Parvez_Admin
11-26-2020 06:55 AM - last edited on 11-27-2020 01:43 AM by Parvez_Admin
Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hello Dear Zdomici Sir! @Zdomici
I am a SCADA engineer from Pakistan. We have the same storage device HP Storage Works P2000, with same Power Supply Model and same defect. Amber LED is permanently ON everytime I turn ON the PSU. As you have mentioned, you checked for Error Message in the System Events interface. Do you mean the ILO Utility Interface or there is some other Interface available? Please guide me as there is no MGMT, CONSOLE, VGA etc interface available in P2000. Please guide me so that I may check the actual error message.
Regards.
Shahrukh
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11-26-2020 07:18 AM
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Re: Repairing YM-3591AAR power supply (HP P/N 81-00000051)
Hi!
my advice: forget about diagnostics, error messages and so on. This PS is unrepairable outside of the factory. If you do not have an active Carepack for your system - "throw it away and get a new one!" (do you like Sparks?) Ebay offers a lot of variants.