hpux on Itanium

[Shivkumar]

Dear Sirs,

If Windows Operating System can be installed on Itanium processors then does it mean that it will be cheaper as we know that we get windows server on intel platform between 1000-2000 USD ?

If this is so then i am thinking we can load hpux on this same machine instead of windows.

I am not sure whether itanium procesor hardware peripheral would be same for windows and hpux.

Regards,
Shiv

[Steven E. Protter · Accepted solution]

Shalom Shiv,

Your first question is on Microsoft License policy. This is really the wrong place to ask that question. My understanding is that Microsoft has a different pricing policy for the 64 bit version of the OS than the 32 bit. Usually the newer OS is more expensive, because as you know Bill Gates is poor and needs more money.

I am in favor of you loading HP-UX on your Itanium because HP-UX is a better OS. With the single exception of the exchange server there is nothing that can't be done on HP-UX server that windows provides.

Primary domain controller, there are docs about that. LDAP server, HP-UX can do that. Samba file and print sharing, no problem.

As far as peripherals go, what hardware works with the Itanium systems is more limtited and more expensive right now than what works with 32 bit intel.

As far as support goes for various printers and such, unless you use something really esoteric, it can be supported easily by an HP-UX samba server.

SEP

[Raj D.]

Hi shiv ,

The idea is not bad , and to be noted that Itanium supports Windows 2003 server and having different pricing policy ,

Itanium2 supports following OS : Linux*, HP-UX*, Windows Server* 2003, OpenVMS*, HP NonStop OS*, and FreeBSD*

Here is the link from Intel:
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium2/index.htm


Also check this link , for running all the major OS , on Intel Itanium2 Hardware:

http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/19186.htm

Hope this helps ,

hth,
Raj.

[Chandan Kumar_1]

Hi Shiv,

"I am not sure whether itanium procesor hardware peripheral would be same for windows and hpux"

It's same Shiv. You can go through the following web link:

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium2/

Thanks,
Chandan

[Delrish]

Nothing is different between Itanium hardware for Windows and HP-UX, except I/O Cards. You can install both of them on a same hardware. However remember you should have suitable I/O card for each of them and change it. For example, some of HBAs are windows, or Linux compatible and the others are HP-UX compatible. You cannot use a HBA for both of operating systems.
Also for installing windows you have to have DVD ROM but for HP-UX, it is optional

[Mahesh Kumar Malik]

Hi Shiv

If you are planning to procure hp-ux and Windows server, Itanium Box is suggested options. Most of hardware peripherals are supported in both environments.

Typically budget for hp-ux and windows server will also be creteria for such selection.

Regards
Mahesh

[Shivkumar]

I was thinking to buy itanium suitable for windows server and install hpux on this. I guess windows capable intanium server would be very cheap similar to existing windows server on intel machine.

Secondly, as hpux would be available on intel platform (itanium) it would be similar to linux on pc server in cost perspective.

Regards,
Shiv

[Delrish]

Hi,

Do not forget, you cannot install HP-UX operating system on any Itanium 2 based server. For example,If you buy Intel Itanium2 processor and a supermicro motherboard and assemble a new server with them, HP-UX will not install on that server.HP-UX designed for HPâ s Itanium2 based server.There are some special chipsets on HPâ s motherboard that you cannot find them on other motherboards.
HP-UX will be installed and run just on HP Integrity and HP9000 servers.

[Chan 007]

Shiv,

Itanium is cheaper then PA chip.

But have you checked about Performance?

Perf on PA will be better them Itanium.

007

[Shivkumar]

Alireza, Do you mean to say that hpux can be installed on only HP Integrity server ?
It would mean that windows operating system can't be installed on HP integrity server..right ?

[Delrish]

Chan,

As you know PA8900 is the latest HP PA-RISC Processor(1GHz).However new Itanium 2 processors, like mx2 or Madison 9M, has better performance than PA-8900.

[Delrish]

No, You can install HP-UX, Windows, Linux and OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers (HP Itanium 2 Based server) .Also you can install Linux and windows on any other Itanium based server (I mean non HP servers, like supermicro,...).However you cannot install HP-UX on any itanium2 based server. You can just install HP-UX on HP itanium2 based server (integrity servers).

[Arunvijai_4]

Hi Shiv, HP-UX can be installed only on HP's hardware, nothing else. I have tried loading 11iv2 in one of Itanium server(Dell PE), it ultimately failed. Whereas, in rx series (HP), we have installed Windows 2k3, Unix and Redhat Linux. Nevertheless to say, HP-UX 11i V2 runs only on HP's Hardware.

-Arun

[Arunvijai_4]

Hi Shiv, Here is a link to supported hardware for installing HP-UX 11i V2, http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12079_div/12079_div.HTML#Supported%20Hardware

Integrity server (IA-64) supports, HP-UX 11iV2, Win2k3 64 Bit for Itanium, RHEL 3.0, SUSE 9 and OpenVMS v8.2

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5983-0162EN.pdf

-Arun

[Yogeeraj_1]

hi,

As long the hardware is HP, i believe that you can install HP-UX on the itanium-based server.

Proprietary OSes usually are not supported on other hardware than their own.

There is also the aspect desupport that you should not ignore.

For business-critical production servers, i would not recommend to go for unsupported environments.

kind regards
yogeeraj

[Dave Wherry]

Out of curiosity I created 2 identical configurations for an rx2620. One with HP-UX Foundation OE and the second with Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition.

At list price the Windows based server is actually almost $2,000 more expensive. The Windows version needs a Management CPU Card that is not required for an HP-UX system and Windows is actually more expensive than Foundation OE HP-UX.

Another point, it sounded like you were proposing buying the system with Windows loaded and then reloading it from HP-UX CDs you already have. That would be an unlicensed version and I would not recommend doing that.