14500

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

people have to leave HP ...

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/hardware/10233050.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

Wim

[Marc Van den Broeck]

that is about 10% over 18 months. I wonder how it will effect customer service.

Rgds
Marc

[Jan van den Ende]

H-P said the majority of the layoffs will be among support functions including information technology, human resources and finance. It said reductions in sales and research and development will be minimal,


If that is totally true it does not look too bad for VMS Engeneering.


Hurd completely reversed that move, fitting with his reputation as someone who delegates authority and makes each business unit responsible for its own fate.



If that only were true, than "all" that is needed is a business unit dedicated to VMS, and thinks look great.


Oh well.
"May you live in interesting times"

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

[Ian Miller.]

http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=12803&hed=HP+Plans+to+Lay+off+14%2C500

and I expect plenty of other coverage.

Now we miss Terry Shannon for some sensible analysis.

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

It was also announced that PC sales surged with 15%, 2% more than expected. It's always good (for the manager) to do job cuts when business is improving.

Wim

[Ian Miller.]

hp offical statement
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/050719a.html

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

Bad news for those who have options left ...

H-P´s (HPQ) restructuring plan looks solid but job cuts are below some optimistic expectations, UBS says. "Also, we believe some may be surprised that it will take six quarters to implement the plan, which could mean less of an earnings benefit in FY06 than expected," the broker says. Goldman Sachs says the headcount reductions are inline with expectations and probably fully reflected in the stock, "capping upside near term."

Wim

[Uwe Zessin]

Pardon me for playing devil's advocate:
even if there were no job cuts in OVMS eng. (which I can't beleive - how many are left these days from that 400 person number I've heard many years ago?), I think looking at that department only is a bit short-sighted.

What is an OS without server hardware? Not many 3rd-party storage is even remotely compatible with VMS! Who is going to |support| the customers?

[Uwe Zessin]

Just saw the news on TV.
Looks like IBM will add another 14,500...

[Peter Quodling]

By that you mean they will lose (not add) another 14,500)

so 30,000 high tech jobs gone - not good.

what surprises/annoys/irks/doesn't surprise me, is that these folk still run in relation to the metric of revenue per employee and compare themselves to Dell.

Reality Check, mr hurd. 1. Don't compare to Dell, they just assemble boxes, their investment in R&D is minimal, there is a point at which they will burn out. Don't kill the company by trying to mimic them, while they do.

2. There are two sides to the revenue per employee ratio. Reducing employees has been tried, and tried, and tried. Consider raising revenue instead - now there is an idea.

Peter Q

[Willem Grooters]

How?
Raising prices = loss of even more jobs since competition can do the same for less.
VMS on non_HP = loss of even more jobs since "no-one" will use it due to high price, lack of applications and non-marketing.
VMS on IA32 = loss of even more jobs, for the very same reason.

When will managers (and directors) give the good example and be happy with half of it?
When will shareholders look further tahn their own wallets?

[Ian Miller.]

raise revenue by selling more services, hardware and software.
You can't grow a company by cutting people!

[Antoniov.]

14,500 people can create a little town.
14,500 people and their families are about 30,000..40,000 people with money trouble.
They are a town.
With IBM employes are a lot of people with bad thinks.

I'm amazed, surprised, stupefied by IT managers that are convinced give the same quality to customer. They can saving money but don't keep good customer service.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

On the pother hand, there always fat in the organization that can be cut without any problem. Some say it can even be 50% ...

Just hope they cut the fat and not the (old) meat.

Wim

[Uwe Zessin]

I am afraid the "fat" knows quite well how to protect itself and is in the appropriate positions to do so. Those people are not dumb...

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

Uwe,

They will probably cut the dump fat (good) and the old meat (bad). Just hope no one of the forum gets hit.

Wim

[Willem Grooters]

Selling services doesn't mean a thing if you don't deliver it, does it?

[Antoniov.]

A cold wind is blowing on us :-?
HP World show on San Francisco is cancelled http://www.thechannelinsider.com/article2/0,1895,1838457,00.asp
US interex, with 100,000 uses, closes
http://www.interex.org
Somebody inside HP user group asks what has to do http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=939264

What is the future of vms?

Antonio Vigliotti

[Uwe Zessin]

My guess is that VMS will live on in some special high-end niches and at some customers who have locked-in applications or who are too inert to 'migrate off'.

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

The advantage for the VMSers is that few youngsters are going to learn it (certainly not at school). That only leaves the existing people who are decreasing in number because of (early) retirements, move to other platforms, move to management positions, etc.

And the VMS applications will be there for a long time.

So, the best IT job in town ?

Wim

[Uwe Zessin]

That's not been my experience. I have seen a great loss in VMS business and over the years I have seen DEC/Compaq/HP getting rid of a lot of their VMS people - browse a little in the news groups or encompasserve's(sp?) Notes conferences.

You might think so, because I suspect your employer has a 'locked-in' application, but I have seen many, many software companies and customers follow the messages from DEC & Compa (to get rid of VMS).

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

Future will prove who's right.

I think that there are a lot of sticky application left on VMS that are difficult to eliminate.

We have a DSM application that's at least 25 years old and without it this bank can close its doors. Simply no replacement yet.

Marc Van den Broeck is maintaining an application that drives an oil refinery. No replacement either. Migration is again possible (comes from HP3000) but will take a lot of time.

Wim

[Peter Quodling]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBE5QDVIDE.html tells us.

PARIS (AP) - Hewlett-Packard Co. is cutting 5,900 jobs in Europe as part of its global restructuring plan announced in July, the maker of computers and printers announced Monday.

etc...

HP - the company that started in a Garage in 1939, and will probably end up in a garage in Delhi by 2009.

[Wim Van den Wyngaert]

http://www.beursduivel.be/nieuws/bericht.php?id=11227/Hewlett-Packard%20Nederland%20schrapt%20350%20banen

Sorry but in Dutch. 350 jobs cut in the Netherlands. About 140 in Belgium.

[Volker Halle]

HP is going to cut 1500 jobs in germany...

http://www.wiesbadener-kurier.de/wirtschaft/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2038803
(in German)

Volker.