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02-25-2010 12:31 AM
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Solved! Go to Solution.
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02-25-2010 12:39 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
VMS732_DEBUG-V0300
VMS732_LAN-V0700
VMS732_SHADOWING-V0800
VMS732_SYS-V1800
VMS732_XFC-V0600
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02-25-2010 04:11 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
The release notes can be found at
ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_UPDATE-V2000.txt
Do report this to HP
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02-25-2010 04:38 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
VMS732_UPDATE-V2000.RELEASE_NOTES
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02-25-2010 04:49 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
$ pipe prod sho hist|sea sys$input VMS732_UPDATE
DEC AXPVMS VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 Patch Install 11-FEB-2010
DEC AXPVMS VMS732_UPDATE V14.0 Patch Install 04-MAR-2008
DEC AXPVMS VMS732_UPDATE V11.0 Patch Install 19-JUN-2007
DEC AXPVMS VMS732_UPDATE V5.0 Patch Install 02-NOV-2005
$ dir sys$help:vms732_update*.release_notes
Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]
VMS732_UPDATE-V0500.RELEASE_NOTES;1 VMS732_UPDATE-V1100.RELEASE_NOTES;1
VMS732_UPDATE-V1400.RELEASE_NOTES;1
Total of 3 files.
$
Oswald
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
SYS$HELP:VMS732_UPDATE-V2000.RELEASE_NOTES;1
4-DEC-2009 23:03:33.61
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02-25-2010 06:02 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
MASTER ECO_LIST says
CURRENT UPDATE KIT RELEASE DATE
------------------ ------------
VMS732_UPDATE-V2000 04-DEC-2009
I downloaded "my version" on december 7.
But today, ftp.itrc.hp.com shows creation date 01/22/10 12:29AM [GMT] so January 22.
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02-25-2010 08:09 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
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02-25-2010 09:06 PM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
The same happened for the latest VMS83I-1H1 Update 7 kit; the version I had was dated 5/12/2009 but the latest kit, which also contains the new HPC file plus the release note file is dated 21/1/2010!
As I said to my local support specialist and OpenVMS Ambassador, "NOT GOOD ENOUGH!"
Malcolm
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02-25-2010 09:20 PM
02-25-2010 09:20 PM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
There are a fair number of kit corrections that can be performed without affecting the actual contents of the kit itself.
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02-26-2010 02:03 AM
02-26-2010 02:03 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
this is true but how will people know there is a updated kit?
Perhaps a minor version number could be incremented to indicate a small change.
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02-26-2010 04:43 AM
02-26-2010 04:43 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
some amount of time has passed since the transition of OpenVMS engineering to India, but especially the quality problems related to OpenVMS patch kits still seem to persist ! And these are the more easily visible problems.
If you look at the text of the VMS732_UPDATE-V2000 release notes, it cleary says:
Note that OpenVMS Patch kits are cumlative and that they contain all changes that have been released in earlier versions of the kit.
The issues addressed by these kits can be found in the following Release Notes files after the VMS732_UPDATE-V2000 kit is installed:
...
Does anybody read this ??? This requires, that ALL release notes for ALL previous patches for the same facility are included in each patch ! For an UPDATE patch, this mean ALL patch release notes of all the patches incldued in the UPDATE patch.
The people who've been doing OpenVMS patches for the last 30 years have strictly followed these rules. This knowledge seems to have been lost in the transition. And it seems to be an organizational and process problem, that allows these - probably unwritten - rules to be ignored.
Volker.
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02-26-2010 05:47 AM
02-26-2010 05:47 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
Applying the old project rules, expectations, norms and assumptions to any new project fork can lead to disappointment and frustration; outside the "fork and stall" case, these forks always have associated disruptions.
As with an actual project fork, you'll see decisions and designs and solutions revisited, and new and different choices, new and different tools, and you'll see existing and new people in various and often different roles.
You'll see change. Some will be concerning. Some may well turn out to be interesting and useful. Hopefully more of the latter, going forward. Time will tell.
In my case, realizing that I was working with what amounts to a fork, and that I now had to evaluate my assumptions, helped me grok the situation. This was at the core of the realization that I'm going to be learning more about the new OpenVMS on a daily basis.
In aggregate, you'll (still) have (the same) choices to make. Choices that you've always had. The calculations are up to you.
We live in interesting times.
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03-02-2010 03:13 AM
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03-02-2010 03:37 AM
03-02-2010 03:37 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
thanks for the clarification.
A simple note in the Release Notes about WHY a new kit with the same number has been released, would certainly help reduce confusion and discussions.
Thanks,
Volker.
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03-02-2010 06:58 AM
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03-02-2010 07:01 AM
03-02-2010 07:01 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
update the Comments column for the patch in the master ECO list, e.g.
ECO KITS NOT INCLUDED IN UPDATE KIT: RELEASE DATE COMMENTS
------------------------------------ ------------ -----------------------
VMS731_DRIVER-V0300 2-JUN-2005 Added missing release notes
This has been done in the past !
Volker.
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03-02-2010 08:52 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
What about a minor version number so VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 would become VMS732_UPDATE V20.1 when the release notes were fixed?
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03-02-2010 09:29 AM
03-02-2010 09:29 AM
Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
I download the master files every night and check for changes. It has worked fine for me for the last 5+ years.
The master file is the 'official' list of all current patches and it has a field for comments. This field has been used for these kind of changes in the past.
If you check for patches in the master file first, you should see the release date of the most recent patches and a comment, if some patch had been re-issued. Once the patch procedures are fully understood and correctly implemented, re-issueing patches should nearly never have to happen.
Changing the version number is a 'technical change' in the kit. Can you predict what kind of effects this has on the PCSI database ? There may also be tools around, which use this version information. This would need to be researched first. You wouldn't want to start changes on the OpenVMS systems themselves ...
E.g. what happens if you install VMS732_UPDATE-V2001 over VMS732_UPDATE-V2000 ?
Volker.
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03-03-2010 08:20 AM
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Re: VMS732_UPDATE V20.0 doesnt install release notes
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I would expect most of the files to be unchanged (PCSI does not replace files of the same or lower generation).
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