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Concerns about elm

Bill Hassell
Honored Contributor

Concerns about elm

Hi everyone, the lab would like your opinions about elm and the current support for MIME. As a note, early 10.20 and all revs before, elm had no features for MIME messages so the text was shown as plain ASCII. Starting with a patch for 10.20 and standard for 11.0 and 11i, elm has 'some' MIME awareness but requires Xwindows for certain messages.

The questions are:

- Do you use elm?
- If so, are you happy with the unpatched, non-MIME version or do you like the latest version of elm with the Xwindow capability?
- Is the current MIME support adequate? What is missing?
- Would you like to choose elm's behavior, ie, text for everything, or MIME support?

You can reply to me at:
and I'll forward it along.

Bill Hassell, sysadmin
harry d brown jr
Honored Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm

Personally, I prefer pine (pine is not elm) over elm, but then again I haven't used either in 6 years. Of course, here where I work, we had at one time over 200,000 openmail licenses (before license manager was available).

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A. Clay Stephenson
Acclaimed Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm

Hi Bill:

I rarely use the ineractive version of elm so I'm not very concerned about MIME itself; however, I do use the command line version many times per day. On the 10.20 versions, multiple attachments did not work properly until the MIME-enabled version of elm was released. My one concern is that the multiple attachments with proper encoding continue to work if the MIME support goes away.

Regards, Clay
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Rodney Hills
Honored Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm

I use elm occasionaly for "text" based e-mails. If their are MIME attachments, I might use elm, to deal with them at a low level. I don't think I want to force elm to run under X-windows.

If I want to process them, I would forward the e-mail to a system that was MIME aware.

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Re: Concerns about elm

My 2 cents.
We use elm for sending log and script output to their respective admins. We use this method extensively. We still only need text, no MIME. I sure wouldn't desire to have this be changed.
Hope you're taking 'late' answers.
Thank you, Robin
Steven Sim Kok Leong
Honored Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm


In my environment, elm is only used for sending automated emails. Attachments are sent automated via sendmail/mailx instead.

Don't usually read or post email interactively from servers for that matter.

If I ever read cron output in root mail, I process /var/mail/root directly.

Hope this helps. Regards.

Steven Sim Kok Leong
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Honored Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm

Hello Bill,

even though I use gold old "elm" quite a lot from within TELNET-sessions and on ASCII-terminals, I do not long for any extensions at all (and I would be into deep trouble, if the keys would be changed, as I am typing *blind* there - and love it ;-)

Sometimes "old stuff" is just good the way it already is!

Mark van Hassel
Respected Contributor

Re: Concerns about elm

Hi Bill,

I do use elm on a reguar basis for the standard messages from cron and EMS. Therefor for me only the text version will do.
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