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тАО05-28-2006 10:11 PM
тАО05-28-2006 10:11 PM
sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
If I have disks with bad blocks, does it help to reformat them with rztools or is e.g. delete/erase doing enough ?
Wim
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тАО05-28-2006 11:00 PM
тАО05-28-2006 11:00 PM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
The VMS INIT does nothing at SCSI level, it merily writes data to an already SCSI-formatted disk (namely the ODSx structures), and the /ERASE switch writes a pattern over all free (data-)blocks.
RZtools is more like ANALYZE/MEDIA/EXERCISE in overriding the disk completely with patterns, and registering bad blocks.
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тАО05-28-2006 11:03 PM
тАО05-28-2006 11:03 PM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
BTW : why is it unsupported ?
Wim
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тАО05-28-2006 11:14 PM
тАО05-28-2006 11:14 PM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
to support it, it needs testing with all sorts of SCSI widgets and devices and so on, and resource are limited, I suppose...
regards Kalle
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тАО05-28-2006 11:23 PM
тАО05-28-2006 11:23 PM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
Does this means that the only way to get the bad blocks on the list is to use the rztools ? Why should I re-init the scsi stuff ?
Wim (confused)
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тАО05-29-2006 12:05 AM
тАО05-29-2006 12:05 AM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
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тАО05-29-2006 12:49 AM
тАО05-29-2006 12:49 AM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
Wim
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тАО05-29-2006 02:26 AM
тАО05-29-2006 02:26 AM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
But bad block recognition does not make a disk better, it just marks them (and replaces them from a reserve list).
At the time when the reserved block list is exhausted, formatting MAY or MAY NOT help.
(At least once I had such a disk: got rather often bad blocks, no more since formatting).
Therefore I said formatting as last resort before throwing the disk away.
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тАО05-29-2006 05:36 AM
тАО05-29-2006 05:36 AM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
In my experience with 100+ alpha stations, bad blocks are in about 30% of the cases recovered by the disk itself or by re-read (and some luck). In all other cases I need to fix the bad block in a not used file and mark it non-move.
Still confused
Wim
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тАО05-29-2006 01:34 PM
тАО05-29-2006 01:34 PM
Re: sys$etc:RZTOOLS.EXE
There are no production level operations that NEED it (otherwise there would be a supported tool). It's unsupported because engineering resources are better spent maintaining and enhancing utilities that people really need.
It's there to give access to the low levels to those who know and care about it. It's more for the hobbiest/tinkerer than anyone else. It can also be used by support people to confirm a diagnosis of a failed SCSI device, or possibly update firmware. If you need to perform any of these operations, you will be given detailed instructions by your support engineer.
If you have a disk that you suspect has exhausted its bad block replacement pool, and you care about your data, then it's a very false economy to attempt to "fix" it by doing a low level format. After all, those blocks were bad once, what makes you think attempting to reuse them will suddenly make them better?
Any suspect disk should be replaced by a newer, larger, more reliable and cheaper drive.