A little birdy told me..

[Bill McNAMARA_1]

that our good old friend SAM, who I guess is only about 20 years old, is terminally ill and doctors give him until 11.31 (May 2004) to live.

sob sob sob.

So apparently his younger kid, Obam (aka sam junior) will take his place in a web style interface, so does this mean that lynx comes back into fashion for the text term console rescues..

Later,
Bill

[H.Merijn Brand (procura]

Or w3m, or - even better - scripting frontends with choice of user UI (perl)

[U.SivaKumar_2]

Hi,
SAM is the one who gave it's hand , when i started walking in HP-UX way. Later I developed
, started avoiding usage SAM as by that time i was addicted to the thrill of using command line Interface for getting things work.

It's GUI interface , was fantatic.

Iam grateful to SAM and I admire SAM inspite of
it's few incapabilities and some security bugs
( inherent in all softwares :-) )
It's natural that old generation die and give
way to younger generation.

SAM your memories will always obsess.

regards,
U.SivaKumar

[Pete Randall]

Bill,

I can confirm, sort of. I heard mention of SAM's evolution at HPWorld last month, including the web-style interface (I can hardly wait - when are they going to realize that real SysAdmins don't use mice?). I did not, however, manage to catch any word on what will happen to the TUI version.

Pete

[harry d brown jr]

Ram Jam - Black Betty

Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

Black Betty had a child (Bam-ba-Lam)
The damn thing gone wild (Bam-ba-Lam)
She said, "I'm worryin' outta mind" (Bam-ba-Lam)
The damn thing gone blind (Bam-ba-Lam)
I said Oh, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

Oh, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

She really gets me high (Bam-ba-Lam)
You know that's no lie (Bam-ba-Lam)
She's so rock steady (Bam-ba-Lam)
And she's always ready (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)

She's from Birmingham (Bam-ba-Lam)
Way down in Alabam' (Bam-ba-Lam)
Well, she's shakin' that thing (Bam-ba-Lam)
Boy, she makes me sing (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty (Bam-ba-Lam)
Whoa, Black Betty
BAM-BA-LAM


Could "obam" be Betty's child?

live free or die
harry

[Cheryl Griffin]

I haven't seen/heard anything for 11.31 but I have seen a web SAM version for 11.22.

You remember the SAM team threads asking for feedback?! There is actually features in web SAM that you can directly relate back to the threads. http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/QuestionAnswer/1,,0xc90560260cafd4118fef0090279cd0f9,00.html

The features are amazing. For instance you know how trying to determine ninode usage is almost impossible? New SAM displays present usage (and lots more), lets you set alarms!! (by defining a threshold and a notification method.) It also gives you a command preview which is the syntax of the command run. and more.

Cheryl

[harry d brown jr]

Cheryl,

if the SAM team crosses over into the Performance team's area, then who decides where the new line in the sand is drawn?

live free or die
harry

[Khalid A. Al-Tayaran]

Hi, to bad to here this....
SAM was excellent in my opinion in some tasks.

- What do you mean by a new web interface ?
- Also, what is Obam ??

[Pete Randall]

Just occurred to me:

Would OBAM then be the "Son of Sam" (the infamous serial killer). That's a scary thought.

Pete

[Paul R. Dittrich]

One thing that I always missed in SAM compared to his (blue) cousin: there is no easy way to view the actual command that you will be issuing. Though far from perfect it is a still a great learning tool for less experienced admins and I picked up a few things that way myself.
Yes, I know you can view the SAM log, but that's after the fact and loses some of it's value because of it.

When everything has become a web page, will performance be any better or just the "style"?

Paul

[Ralph Grothe]

I rarely use SAM, so I can imagine I won't miss him too much.
But the alleged web interface of SAM's substitute sounds ineteresting to me.
Does it mean it will speak HTTP (or some subset)?
If so, I could think of writing ones own user agent in Perl with a little help from the fantastic LWP ;-)

[Jim Turner]

Hi Bill,

Word I got back from HPWorld was that Service Control Manager (SCM) was going to replace SAM. I'm generally a command line commando, but I do sometimes use SAM when I'm too lazy to lookup/remember command syntax.

If SAM's replacement (SCM or otherwise) didn't coddle you as much, that'd be cool. Case in point: biggest LVM stripe size available via SAM is 64k even though lvcreate allows sizes in any power or 2 between 4k and 32M. The other thing that kills me is the way SAM (when properly patched) hides alternate paths to arrays and such. It's geared for the lowest-common-denominator. If you can't remember/understand that a system has dual/quad paths to the same LUNs, then you should be banished to life as a stinky Winblows admin.

Cheers,
Jim

"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say that there is plenty more stupidity than hydrogen, and *that* is the basic building block of the universe."
-- Frank Zappa

[BKUMAR]

Hi Bill,

Sam is a pretty good gui tool for beginners...will the new obam will have the feautures of sam or its totally different....pls give us the link or info regarding this to have awareness.

Thanks Bill

[John Bolene]

If the new replacement will be web only, what do we do about text only access?

I would love to get away from our dialin to a modem at 19.2 to the serial port, but my company may have other words for this.

[Bill McNAMARA_1]

I can only assume it'll look some thing like SCM.

http://www.software.hp.com/products/SCMGR/

Although a quick search through the forums will show how difficult (costly) that is to install..

Later,
Bill

[Sean OB_1]

I sincerely hope that there will be a non gui version as well.

I use sam frequently, especially when making Kernel parm changes. But I almost never run the x version as it is simply too slow.

And of course, what do you do when you only have a text terminal to work with?

This is the same for swinstall, I almost never run the x version as the text version is much, much faster and does the same thing.

[Brian M Rawlings]

I echo the concern of the last posters -- the text (TUI?) version has sustained me through various unpleasant events, and one does not always have access to a browser (well, to a GUI browser).

It might be enough if HP made a version that worked via lynx, as Bill suggests. Then, maybe they could include lynx as an unsupported but supplied utility in /usr/contrib/bin, like perl...

Cheryl, if you're listening, consider this a serious suggestion for submittal to the SAM replacement team, if you would, please.

Of course, once SAM (or the current interface, at least) becomes passe, can SD-UX be far behind?

Interesting thread. Best Regards, --bmr

[Yogeeraj_1]

hi,

SAM is "old"

It seems like it has not evolved since years! Make HP-UX look like grandpa's old stuffs ;)

When i compare it with the admin tool available on my other Windows-based servers....

Exit SAM, welcome Obam.

I guess most of us are eager to have a glimpse of it!

Cheers
Yogeeraj

[John Waller]

I agree with the previous people, I hope this new stuff if it happens has a text option and is not just a web based. Even with its blue cousin you can still run from a text vt window. As a socond thought, what will happen if the network was down, and you only had the console 700/96 available??

[melvyn burnard · Accepted solution]

Your little birdy is right, SAM is on hte way out.
Various portions have already been superseded, as in KC, the Kernel Configurator.
It will also be a web-based interface.
I cannot say too much, but when asked by the labs if I thought customers would WANT a text version, my answer was an emphatic YES.
We also said there should be GOOD logging of what it does when a command is issued, so users can learn!
At this stage, no more information is shareable, but watch the press, as they say.

[Paula J Frazer-Campbell]

Hi to all.


SAM - test version yes - my systems do not use X in any shape of form as I much prefer to give the processing power to my users.

Paula

[Sorrel G. Jakins]

curses!

[Brian Kinney]

Dear SAM,

Goodbye, and thanks for all of the automated configuration changes. May your replacement understand CLI functionality.

Brian

[Roger Baptiste]

Hi,

Even though i don't use SAM , except for kernel changes, it is a great tool. (look at Solaris admin tool to get a feel of its riches). Many admins learn the tricks of the OS through SAM and its great logging facility.

Whatever replaces it, i hope they keep the easy and functionality intact and more importantly without slowing the system.

-raj

[Alexander M. Ermes]

Hi Bill.
The SAM is a good tool and it gave me a superior feeling to the poor souls working with Solaris or something else.
If the new tool is as good, ok.
BUT:
Don't make the same mistakes that Oracle already did. For Oracle from 8.1 on you really MUST have a GUI to install.
Don't do that to us pls.
Rgds
Alexander M. Ermes