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abhijeet_7
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is HP a stable system?


Hello gurus,
Past 8 months i m working on HP-UX11i.
With proper configuration,is HP a stable system?
What extra advantage i can get by using HP-UX?

What is meant by "bufferd cache"?what is its default size?is "n-buff" a buffered cache?

thanx & regards
abhik
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Steve Steel
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Hi

HP-UX 11.11 is a very stable system if configured and tuned properly


For buffer cache see
Memory Usage - â What is using all of the memoryâ ?

by:eric.herberholz@hp.com

Last modified: July 23, 2004

Latest version available at external ftp site:

ftp://eh:spear9@hprc.external.hp.com/memory.htm


This URL explains memory usage extremely well

http://www.docs.hp.com/

Will give all other docs


Steve Stee
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Bharat Katkar
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Hi Abhijeet,
I would say HP's major feature is it's stability of Operating System and reliabilty of Hardware. Ofcourse you need to set it up properly and for that ample docs are available. HP has good Support and infrastructure as well.

Well but it will not be always economical but again quality counts.

Regards,
You need to know a lot to actually know how little you know
HGN
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Hi

HP is a stable machine provided how well it has been tuned and updated with the patches.

Thx

Gopi
Steven E. Protter
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Re: is HP a stable system?

Many independent observers have dubbed HP-UX the most reliable Enterprise OS.

I have not used a better one and I've worked with quite a few.

Its a combination of hardware and software.

If you want reliable, HP-UX is in my opinion, the gold standard.

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RAC_1
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Re: is HP a stable system?

3:16pm up 108 days, 11:21, 78 users, load average: 0.18, 0.11, 0.08

That is uptime of one of my system. all depends on how you confure, tune it.

Anil
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Patrick Wallek
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Is HP a stable system? Well, that depends on your definition of stability. If you consider a machine that has been up for years without a reboot, then I guess that would be pretty stable.

When the machine is initially installed, you should patch it as much as you can. Lack of a patch can be one of the BIG causes of instability. Yes HP-UX does have a few bugs here and there.

Also make sure you have enough RAM. One of the big causes of performance problems can be insufficient RAM which causes you to page-out to disk.

Also make sure your applications and system are tuned well.

If everything is set up and tuned fairly well then your system can go many months or years without a reboot.

Here is the uptime output from one of my machines before we had to reboot earlier this year:

2:15am up 422 days, 11:06, 1 user, load average: 1.79, 2.04, 2.08


Rick Garland
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

As compared to Solaris, HPUX is a very stable OS running on very stable HW. I use to see multiple corrected memory errors on Solaris and very few LPMC errors for HPUX. This was a shop in which there were over 3400 systems being watched.

The same for the HW. The SUN hardware was replaced every other week, the HP I can recall 1 in 3 months.

Granted this big of a shop willl amplify the results but I believe the SUN/HP ratio would remain the same.
ITeam
Super Advisor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Could I refer you to a FAQ page for HP/UX which, along with many useful bits and pieces, mentions the following.

The latest D.H. Brown report entitled "2002 UNIX Function Review" ranks
HP-UX 11i #1, over Solaris 8, AIX 5.1, and Tru64 5.1, in all five
categories - reliability, availability and serviceability; Internet and
Web application services; directory and security services; systems
management; and scalability.

The press release is at:

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The report itself is available at:

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Albeit two years old, I feel is still very relevent.

The web page I refer to is.
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/faqs/hp/hpux-faq

Enjoy.
Jairo Campana
Trusted Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

HPUX is the best system in tuned and more
recommend:
HP-UX Kernel Tuning and Performance Guide
buffered , stable system etc

http://docs.hp.com/cgi-bin/otsearch/getfile?id=/hpux/onlinedocs/os/11.0/tuningwp.html&searchterms=desfree|lotsfree&queryid=20030414-06091

legionx
Mark Ellzey
Valued Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Abhik,

I'll echo the others on the board. My experience with HP-UX has been great. I have some old K series servers that typically run 300-400 days without a reboot. In fact, the only reason I reboot them is if there is a power failure that the UPS can't handle. I also have some really ancient apollo, 712 and 715 boxes that run for 300+ days without rebooting.

By comparison, I have 2 SUN Ultra2's that are both much newer than the HP's, but they have both died, due to hardware failure. I also have 2 SUNBlade 1000's that have had the root drive take a dive after about 2 years of use.

Just my 2cts worth,
Mark
Geoff Wild
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

HP is very stable.

As much as I like to "bash" some of my co-workers (Solaris ans AIX) - just about any system can be made to have high stability.

Myself, I prefer HP-UX - been Unix admin since 1993, worked with HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, Irix, Linux. Over that time, I have found HP to be the most reliable, best support.

Ton of posts on: Buffer Cache
There are 2 main kernel parameters:
dbc_max_pct (default 50%) and dbc_min_pct (5%).

How the Buffer Cache Grows:

As the kernel reads in files from the file system, it will try to store data in the buffer cache. If memory is available, and the buffer cache has not reached its maximum size, the kernel will grow the buffer cache to make room for the new data. As long as there is memory available, the kernel will keep growing the buffer cache until it reaches its max size (50% by default).

For performance reasons, you want the buffer cache hit ratio on reads to be higher then 90%.

sar -b and watch %rcache

Now what should you set your to? That depends on what you are running on the box. If Oracle, then you want to shrink it as Oracle has its own buffer cache.

You could also mount file systems that you don't want buffer cache by:

-o mincache=direct

That will bypass the buffer cache all together - good option for Oracle on LVM.

What should you set it to?
Should be between 350MB to 800MB of ram - so you have to calculate the percent.

Rgds...Geoff
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Rita C Workman
Honored Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

HPUX is without a doubt the most stable platform I have ever worked on !

..provided the Administrator of that system knows what they are doing....

No need to re-answer what buffer cache is...you already have that above..

Rgrds,
Rita
generic_1
Respected Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

I would agree that you cant go wrong with HPUX it is very stable OS and so is the hardware. Also just as an FYI HP has a very nice cluster package called MC/ServiceGuard which can make your system extremely available :).
R. Sri Ram Kishore_1
Respected Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

Hi Abhik,

Take a look at this report:
http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/downloads/unix_ranking.pdf

HTH.
Regards,
Sri Ram
"What goes up must come down. Ask any system administrator."
Bart Paulusse
Respected Contributor

Re: is HP a stable system?

some of our systems have an uptime of more than a year. So, pretty stable.