Quick question about the TCOE for 11i ..

[someone_4]

Hello

I have a quick question about the technical computing operating environment for 11i. I just tried to do a cold install from the June 2003 11i cds on a 32bit box. When doing the instal it comes to the menu where i choose my operating enviroment and I do not see TCOE. Is TCOE only supported on 64 bit servers? I just need to confirm that I will be able to see, choose and install the TCOE enviroment on a 64 bit server.

thanks
Richard

[Pete Randall]

Richard,

I'm probably wrong, but I thought that TCOE was Workstation only?


Pete

[Pete Randall]

Oops, sorry, Richard! I just found "Technical Servers and Workstations". Disregard.


Pete

[Helen French]

It supports both 32 and 64 bits, BUT ONLY for Technical Servers and Workstations.

TCOE - Technical Computing Operating Environment.

[someone_4]

So what would be considered a technical serveR?


Richard

[Jeff Schussele]

Hi Richard,

I believe Pete's correct.
TCOE & MTOE (Minimum Tech Operating Environment) are for 700 series (workstation) systems.
Are you trying to load this on a W/S?
What model is this system?
You may also want to consider upgrading the firmware on this system to the latest version - it may be necessary.

Rgds,
Jeff

[someone_4]

I was trying to load it on a D370 for testing. But I can load it on an L-class or A500 if needed. Or else find out what I do need. I just didnt know why the enviroment didnt show up on the installation as an option. I figured it was because it was a 32 bits and I needed 64 bits.


Richard

[Pete Randall]

That's a good question, Richard. What the heck is a "Technical Server"? I can't find any explanation.


Pete

[Helen French]

Just to clarify: D370 Server will support both 32 and 64bit versions of HP-UX.

[melvyn burnard]

well this is a bit long winded, but may explain the environments for you:
http://docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/os/11i/hpwoldfullpres.pdf

A technical server is the name given in recent times to larger workstations that act as servers, in a technical environment
The systems you are trying to install it on are listed as comercial servers, and not technical servers.
I am unsure of this, but I believe the TCOE will look at the system model string to try to identify it as a supported system, and if it does not find it, may give you the symptom you are seeing,but I may be wrong.
HTH

[Jeff Schussele]

I believe that would probably be a D, K or L that has a graphics adapter & input devices.
And even though they call them workstations, a racked J-class is dang near a server in my opinion.

Rgds,
Jeff

[melvyn burnard]

Hmm, I may be slightly out on the system bit, you may want to take a look at the Release Notes for you TCOE version here:
http://docs.hp.com/hpux/os/11i/tcoe/index.html#Release%20Notes
Seems like these may actually be supported.

[Elena Leontieva]

Richard,

I thought this link might be helpful.

http://devrsrc1.external.hp.com/STK/hpux_faq.html
Elena.

[James R. Ferguson]

Hi Richard:

AFAIK the distinction between "workstation" and "server" has blurred almost to extinction, at least insofar as software. I also believe that "technical" is more an application set rather than hardware.

I agree that a firmware check is in order. Table-1 and Table-2 in the link below document D-class firmware requirements.

The document (link below) notes:

/begin_quote/

Like the Minimal Technical Operating Environment, the Technical Computing Operating Environment (TCOE) contains all the base functionality that is common to the other four OEs, including the base 32/64-bit HP-UX Operating System, network drivers, and other always-installed functionality. While it is not a superset of the standard 11i OE, it is a superset of the Minimal Technical OE. Unlike the Minimal Technical OE, however, the Technical Computing OE is available on both technical servers and workstations.

/end_quote/

http://docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/5187-1361/5187-1361.html

Regards!

...JRF...

[Pete Randall]

The convergence of the 700 and 800 series blurs the distinction between them a bit, but I'm gathering that that is the difference, so I don't believe Richard's proposal to load onto an A or an L will work either, you really need a true 700 workstation.


Pete

[Patrick Wallek]

This should work in any server or workstation as far as I know.

The following doc ( http://docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/5187-1350/5187-1350.html ) leads me to believe that.

I looked in the "Install / Update System Requirements" -> "System Requirements" section.

[Jeff Schussele · Accepted solution]

Richard,

Here's the link to the latest D370 firmware - 42.11.
I'd strongly recommend you get and apply this before you try to load the OS (OE - whatever)

http://www6.itrc.hp.com/service/patch/patchDetail.do?patchid=PF_CULU4211&context=firmware:cpu

HTH,
Jeff