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11-04-2003 01:07 AM
11-04-2003 01:07 AM
Shadow installation on HPUX 11
I've a problem.
We need to administrate the accounts password so that it won't be possible to use password with less than 6 character, for more than X month ecc ecc.
Actually we use the "classic" /etc/passwd without shadow.
Can someone help me? I'm lookin for information to install shadow, pam or anything else could be useful.
Is there any information to install shadow suite?
I'm using HPUX B11.00 U on a HP9000 (L1000 & L3000)
PS "man shadow" doesn't exist! ;-(
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11-04-2003 01:12 AM
11-04-2003 01:12 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
This will help,
http://www.software.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=ShadowPassword
Regards,
Robert-Jan.
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11-04-2003 01:13 AM
11-04-2003 01:13 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
HP has a product called "HP-UX Shadow Passwords ". It's free, I believe. See this thread for details:
http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/parseCurl.do?CURL=%2Fcm%2FQuestionAnswer%2F1%2C%2C0xe14163f96280d711abdc0090277a778c%2C00.html&admit=716493758+1067955109584+28353475
Pete
Pete
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11-04-2003 01:15 AM
11-04-2003 01:15 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
There is a Shadow Password product available for HP-UX - here:
http://www.software.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=ShadowPassword
Unfortunately it's available for 11i only.
Rgds,
Jeff
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11-04-2003 01:15 AM
11-04-2003 01:15 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
Min OS 11.00.
pwconv to start using /etc/shadow.
pwuconv to revert back.
Putting system in trusted mode is better option.
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11-04-2003 01:35 AM
11-04-2003 01:35 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
So I need version 11.11 or 11i to install shadow?
With my v11.0 I've already seen that the command pwconv exists on the system (but not pwuconv)...but I'm not so sure to launch it....doesn't it make trouble with user accounts, does it?
I dont' want to make my system trusted (not now!)...it's enought to enable shadow...but I'm afraid to what can happen when I run pwconv...
sorry...I'm at the beginning...
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11-04-2003 01:40 AM
11-04-2003 01:40 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
Requirements and Restrictions for shadow passwd
This product requires HP-UX 11.11 is the same as 11.i
Regards,
Robert-Jan.
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11-04-2003 02:49 AM
11-04-2003 02:49 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
So I've two choices:
1) Upgrade the system to HPUX 11i and install shadow suite.
2) Upgrade the system to become a Trusted System.
I think I'll convert to Trusted system and I've already noticed the presence of SAM.
When I ran SAM -> Auditing and Security -> System Security Policy
it told me I have to convert to trusted system and It can made the conversion by
1) creating a protected database
2) moving the password from etc/passwd to the database
3) replacing the passwd field in etc/passwd with an *
It seems it's not a problem making this conversion...but I'm afraid about the consequences on the system...
Did anybody make this conversion with SAM?
After the conversion, is it anything right?
Emanuele
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11-04-2003 02:59 AM
11-04-2003 02:59 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
To avoid that just run following command.
/usr/lbin/modprpw -V
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11-04-2003 03:03 AM
11-04-2003 03:03 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
Another side affect of converting to Trusted is that any PWs greater than 8 chars will be truncated to 8. Then if users enter their old PW - even correctly - it will not be accepted. BUT if they enter *just* the first 8 of their original PW - it will be accepted.
Rgds,
Jeff
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11-04-2003 03:18 AM
11-04-2003 03:18 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
First of all I should thank everybody!
It's my firt post in this forum and I didn't think I would receive so many answers in a few minutes!
Second...you are helping me very much...so I'll surely give some points (In the free time I'll look at the graduating system of the forum!)
Third...
Ok, I'm almost convinced to upgrade to trusted system and I'll try to avoid pwd expiration.
Any impacts on the system?
Thanks again and sorry for my english!
Emanuele
PS I read I shouldn't use NIS to convert to trusted system...how can I discover if I'm using NIS?
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11-04-2003 03:28 AM
11-04-2003 03:28 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
# ypwhich
ypwhich: the NIS domain name hasn't been set on this machine
If above command displays above message you are not running nis.
Robert-Jan.
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11-04-2003 09:49 PM
11-04-2003 09:49 PM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
The ypwhich command told me exactly what I wanted!
So, I'll convert to trusted system asap on the dev system (to use like a test machine)...
I'll post the results of the convert process.
For now...thanks to everybody
Emanuele.
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11-10-2003 10:41 PM
11-10-2003 10:41 PM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
A question for RAC: you suggested me to use
modprpw -V
I found that no man exist on this command.
So...should I run this command before or after the trusted system conversion?
I think I should convert to trusted system and than run modprpw...but prefer ask pefore making disasters! ;-)
But, if I run the command after the conversion, the old passwords aren't expired?
Thanks for eny help!
by
Emanuele
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11-11-2003 01:24 AM
11-11-2003 01:24 AM
Re: Shadow installation on HPUX 11
AS far as affecting your system, going Trusted allows you to add a lot more security to your system in the form of password controls, expiration, login restrictions, etc. A Trusted system *is* a shadow password design but far more sophisticated than the old shadow system. Whetre you may find difficulties is with application programs that have archaic code for authentication that acceses the password files directly rather than using PAM modules. If this turns out to be the case, the /usr/lbin/tscovert -r (-r=revert, -c=convert) command can put everything back to normal.
Since a Trusted system understands and honors long passwords, a user that had a long (more than 8 chars) password must type only the first 8 in a Trusted system to login. Once in, the user may then create a new password that is longer than 8 chars and it will be validated only when the exact password is entered. And conversely, if a user picks a long password and the system is subsequently converted back to non-Trusted, the password will never work and must be reset by root.
While this may seem complicated, trusted systems do offer a clean and stable way to ensure good security controls, most of which are not available in a non-trusted system.
Bill Hassell, sysadmin