Should I Upgrade to 11i v2 ??

[Bejoy C Alias]

We have one RP5470 server with 2 processors , 2GB RAM currently loaded with HP-UX 11.11 . Is there any benefit in updating the OS from 11.11 to 11.23 ?
How can I check what is the OE currently installed ? swinstall shows
HP-UX 11i Operating Environment Component
HP-UX 64-bit Base OS
HP-UX Base OS Auxiliary
What is the use of
HP Service Mission Critical Common Component ?

[Muthukumar_5]

To check OE currently installed,

# swlist | grep -i oe

--
Muthu

[Steven E. Protter · Accepted solution]

On the upgrade:

Benefits:
* longer support life cycle. Your OS will be supported for a decade or more if you update now, though I recommend a cold install, not upgrade-ux
* NFS 4 is much more reliable and has better locking mechanisms, which prevent file corruption.
* /stand filesystem can be vxfs

Issues:
* Applications. If your application vendors don't support it, you can't upgrade.
* Downtime: I like to roll out new hardware with a new OS. That way it does not go production until its ready and fully tested.

SEP

[Sivakumar TS]

Dear Bejoy,

Please check it with,

#swlist -l bundle

With Regards,

Siva.

[Joseph Loo]

hi,

to check the version of Operating Environment:

# swlist -l bundle|grep OE

to find out about Mission Critical OE:

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12079_div/12079_div.HTML#Operating%20Environments

what 11iv2 offers:

http://www.hp.com/products1/unix/operating/choice/hpux_itanium.html


regards.

[Frank de Vries]

I posed a similar question june 2005,
maybe the answers and links I got are usefull to you too :)

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=901983

(I did not do the upgrade because it turned
out that one of our scsi boards was incompatible, but it works with v1,
which to me is just as good)

[Arunvijai_4]

Hello Bejoy,

You can upgrade to 11.23 since it has got many new features in Security, usability etc..

You can find more information at,

http://docs.hp.com/en/oshpux11iv2.html#HP-UX%2011i%20v2%20Operating%20Environments
-Arun

[Zinky]

Stay w/ 11.11 if:

- you do not use VxVM (11.2+ is now at VxVM 4.x)
- your applications are not certified for 11.11 v2
- you have no use of the enhanced/upgraded (and Veritas based) clustering tools
- you have no need of new vPar functionality that is supposedly in v4.x of vPars software

[James R. Ferguson]

Hi:

At the moment, the end-of-life dates for both 11.11 and 11.23 (version 1 and version 2 of 11i, respectively) are identical.

http://www.hp.com/softwarereleases/releases-media2/history/slide2.html

Therefore, unless you definitely need features of 11.23, I would probably defer an upgrade at this time, particularly if the servers are production ones.

Regards!

...JRF...

[Geoff Wild]

I would upgrade (currently am).

Benefits outweigh the cons.

More dynamic kernel parameters to name one.

Most of my upgrades are comig in the form of new machines (9 alone this quarter!)

Mission Critical - that's for ServiceGuard cluster.

Only reason not to upgrade - if you have an app that is not supported on 11i v2.

Rgds...Geoff

[Zinky]

FWIW and I am seeing this trend accross the many data centers and colleagues out there:

If your hardware is PARISC (PA8600 to PA8900) -- stick with 11.11 or HP-UX 11i v1.0

If your hardware is Integrity - then you've no choice but employ HP-UX 11.23 aka HP-UX 11i version 2.0.

[Bejoy C Alias]

We have oracle 7.1.4 database running on this server , which is not even certified on 11.11. But it works fine. I dont think that anyone is using this version of oracle in 11.23, any suggestions whether this will work on 11.23 ?

I already given you the swlist outputs which shows HPUX11i-OE , i think this is only a foundation OE. am i right ?

What does HP Service Mission Critical Common Component mean ? this is shown in the swlist o/p.

[Arunvijai_4]

Hi Bejoy,

To answer your questions,

Oracle 7.1.4 any suggestions whether this will work on 11.23 ?

Probably not, although it is working in 11.11 due to binary compatibility, you can't expect the same performance in 11.23 and you won't get support from Oracle.

What does HP Service Mission Critical Common Component mean ? this is shown in the swlist o/p.

Mission Critical environment = 11.23 Enterprise OE + Service Guard+ Workload manager+Service guard NFS toolkit+ Enterprise cluster manager

http://www.hp.com/products1/unix/operating/choice/index.html

-Arun

[Bejoy C Alias]

Arun,
We dont have service guard installed on our server , but the swlist shows the HP service mission critical component in products not contained in a bundle. we have command view sdm and openview storage area manager installed on the server for our VA7110 virtual array, is the mission crtical component is part of it ?

[John Payne_2]

Bejoy,

if this is really your only server, I would not recommend to you that you upgrade to 11.23. You have you DB running successfully, which would not be guarenteed on the new OS. (I suspect it would work, but why risk it?) That version of Oracle is very old. You will not have issues getting support for HPUX 11.11 at this point, it is a stable OS, and things should continue to be good for you. (It is good for you, right?)

I have recently moved (nearly) all of my HPUX 11.0 machines to HPUX 11.11 (When I started the process, there wasn't enough support from 3rd party vendors for the OS. That's not really the case today.) I do not have plans to move to HPUX 11.23 at this point, (even though I have Itanium on the floor running HPUX 11.23. HPUX 11.23 is a very good OS also..) I just have other things to do, and there is no driving reason for me to upgrade all my PA-RISC. (75 machines.) Someday, most likely 2007, we will upgrade to the current version of HPUX, be it HPUX 11.23 or HPUX 11i v3.

Not knowing anything about what you are trying to accomplish, or anything else about the DB except the version number, if things are ok for you, leave things alone. the risk may not be worth it. HPUX 11.11 is not going away anytime soon, HPUX 11.23 is not going away anytime soon.

[Arunvijai_4]

Hi Bejoy,

Has anyone # swremove some prodcuts/bundles from your server ?

-Arun

[Yogeeraj_1]

hi,

If everything is working fine on your server, DON'T think about upgrading to another version.

This is need downtimes and resources.

If you have any specific projects or important reason to do so, then you must test your applications on a test server and verify that everything is working fine. That would include: Minimal testing, functional testing, integration testing, performance testing, volume, load stress testing and so on.

You will have to be 100% confident that the new environment will not be a source of new problems..

hope this helps!

kind regards
yogeeraj

[Bejoy C Alias]

Arun,
Iam the only one who is managing this server , so there is no chance of swremoving by someone else.

[Bejoy C Alias]

Better I should not upgrade as i am not sure about the oracle database ...
Thanks to all....