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тАО08-22-2007 11:31 PM
тАО08-22-2007 11:31 PM
GENERAL REQUEST
In general, if you CUT&PASE ito the forum, you'd better do this from plain ASCII. It will keep the entry clean and readble...
On occasion, I happen to read the forum from one of my VMS boxes, and I'm surely not the only one. Not all have a graphics interface, I _may_ have to rely on a text-only browser like LYNX. It's bad enough you need a web-browser to get to the data where DECNotes would often do...
Therefore this request:
Do NOT assume that everyone uses a system capable of presenting Office documents (in whatever format), or even graphics. Sometimes, the latter cannot be avoided, but the majority is text.
That implies:
* If you attach a file containing text, please use plain ascii. No HTML if that's not part of the example.
* If you attach an image, please convert it into a generic format like PDF or JPG.
* Large listings are better send as an attachment, eventually zipped (but that is a personal preference) - nevertheless: the files themselves should be in a generic format.
I found it time to mention this.
OpenVMS Developer & System Manager
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тАО08-23-2007 01:09 AM
тАО08-23-2007 01:09 AM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
regards Kalle
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тАО08-23-2007 01:17 AM
тАО08-23-2007 01:17 AM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
Certainly, for normal matters, ASCII text should be fine.
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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тАО08-23-2007 01:37 AM
тАО08-23-2007 01:37 AM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
another big AYE !!
I counld not agree more.
And though VMS nor LYNX would care, some other browsers DO demand that plain-text files be named .TXT
Please comply with that as well.
Another frequent "issue" stems from non-transportable diacritics & special symbols.
Please refrain from those as well.
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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тАО08-23-2007 03:30 AM
тАО08-23-2007 03:30 AM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
>> please don't attach DCL procedures as .COM...
The only point I don't agree: there is only one browser in the world, which has problems with .COM filenames, because it ignores the text/plain mime header: MSIE.
This browser should be avoided by all means! (not just for VMS forums).
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тАО08-23-2007 04:56 AM
тАО08-23-2007 04:56 AM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
I am quite sure that I am not alone in that at work, I am (by company policy) restricted to just THAT one.
Not my choice, but one has to make concessions to the "main sponsor"...
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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тАО08-23-2007 05:51 PM
тАО08-23-2007 05:51 PM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
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If it is a TEST $ IF ├Г┬в├В ├В ├Г┬в├В ├В ├Г┬в├В ├В p1├Г┬в├В ├В ├Г┬в├В ├В .eqs. ├Г┬в├В ├В TEST├Г┬в├В ├В then $ execute=├Г┬в├В ├В DIR ├Г┬в├В ├В or a execute = ├Г┬в├В ├В TYPE ├Г┬в├В ├В and you check the existence of all the imbedded command files to execute
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I hope it comes through as I see it: instead of quotes and double-quotes, I see a diacritical character followed by two squares. I guess this comes from pasting text out of a word document where word did some 'beautifying' to the quotes.
Very ugly indeed.
Edwin
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тАО08-23-2007 07:56 PM
тАО08-23-2007 07:56 PM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
Having had post lost due to the ITRC forums going offline, I generally edit offline and paste into the ITRC. And I try to run this through a spelling checker before pasting.
Here's what seems to work for people using Windows.
Download a program like Metapad that will convert the slanted quotes to standard quotes. Metapad is a free notepad replacement that has other uses as well, for example it can convert text to and from cr-lf terminated lines (DOS) to lf only (Unix) format.
If you have used Word to compose or spell check, select all the text (Cntrl-A) copy to clipboard (Cntrl-C), open Metapad and paste the text there. The text will be "coerced" into ASCII, so things like quotes will be displayed correctly. Once in metapad, select it all again, copy to clipboard and paste into the ITRC.
If I remember to do these steps, the posts look as good as is possible with the fonts that the ITRC uses.
Here's a example entered in Word, and pasted directly here, followed by the same line first pasted to metapad, then recopied and pasted to the ITRC.
Copied directly from Word
$ write sys$output ├в This is from ├в ├в msword├в ├в
The same line after pasting into metapad and recopying to clipboard before pasting into ITRC follows:
$ write sys$output "This is from ''msword'"
I don't understand why the ITRC software can't do this conversion itself. There seems to be no advantage to the way it gets displayed, because you can't cut and paste it back into Word to restore it to its original form.
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тАО08-23-2007 08:22 PM
тАО08-23-2007 08:22 PM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
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I don't understand why the ITRC software can't do this conversion itself. There seems to be no advantage to the way it gets displayed, because you can't cut and paste it back into Word to restore it to its original form.
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The same question we also ask is why do we have a downtime during upgrades ? If they were running OpenVMS for ITRC whe had a real stable environment. Know (unfortunaly) its running on HP-UX with all discomfort and interference with work.
AvR
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тАО08-23-2007 08:27 PM
тАО08-23-2007 08:27 PM
Re: GENERAL REQUEST
Cheers
John.