It appears that, although I have the LICENSE for MOTIF V1.2-5, I don't actually have the software.

[Martin Vorlaender]

Bill,

the way you did it works, but is overkill (it's the methd to get into a system that you don't have any passwords for). The regular method would be:

>>> boot -flag ,1

where is the number of your system root (probably 0). You then get to a SYSBOOT prompt:

SYSBOOT> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0
SYSBOOT> CONTINUE

cu,
Martin

[Bill Thompson_8]

Martin,

I have successfully stopped the MOTIF from starting whenever I log in as the system manager. But I have a fresh batch of problems now that is caused by this process I have used to fix this problem. Namely, nothing else seems to be starting and this includes FTP and TCP/IP.

I am guessing I need to reset whatever I un-set when I was making sure that the startup was at a minimum.

[Martin Vorlaender]

Bill,

>>>
I am guessing I need to reset whatever I un-set when I was making sure that the startup was at a minimum.
<<<

The way you did it, there should be no ill consequences after another reboot (the WRITESYSPARAMS 0 takes care of the fact that changes are not saved to disk - if it is the last command before the CONTINUE).

If you're really screwed up, you can get back to a bootable configuration by a conversational boot and entering

SYSBOOT> USE DEFAULT
SYSBOOT> C ! short for CONTINUE

HTH,
Martin

[Antoniov.]

Hi Bill,
your trouble seems to become complicated!

Reading thread I can suppose:
1) Your HD may damaged (PARITY ERROR); when you can, execute
$ ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR/LOCK SYS$SYSDEVICE:
you should see what error are present and fix them.
2) Why do you post? You are fine to solve yourself! I want to intend you read and well understand documentation about boot. Just for talking at SRM level (>>>) you have limited command; don't forget help when you need.
3) I guess, after you edited DECW$STARTUP you can boot without conversional mode. With normal boot you could see all services running (tcp/ip, decnet, etc) while decwindows is stopped. If is true, you can try to activate decwindows manually.

Good Luck
Antonio Vigliotti

[Bill Thompson_8]

Martin, thanks to your latest suggestion, I have been able to get back to what seems to be a more normal login at the terminal.

Antoniov, here is a summary the output from running
ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR/LOCK SYS$SYSDEVICE at the dollar prompt:

ANALYSEâ ¦

ANALYZE/Disk_Structure/REPAIR for _DKA0: started onâ ¦
Error opening QUOTA_SYS
No such file
DCLTABLES.EXE marked for delete
TCPIP$BGDRIVER.EXE marked for delete
TCPIP$TNDRIVER.EXE marked for delete
TCPIP$INETACP.EXE marked for delete
DCLTABLES.EXE marked for delete
TCPIP$ACCESS_SHR.EXE marked for delete

What does this all mean?

------------------------------------

I ran the @TCPIP$CONFIG utility and I noticed that all the Client Components and all the Server Components were DISABLED.

So I managed to ENABLE each of them with the exception of only two on the list of Server Components (BIND AND SNMP)

And yet, TELNET still does not work.

As memory serves me, I have to shutdown and restart these components in TCPIP. So I returned to @TCPIP$CONFIG and performed a shutdown. Although it said that the shutdown was complete, it gave me an interface error:

Begin Shutdownâ ¦

TCPIP$FTP shutdown complet
%TCPIP-E-INETERROR, internet interface error
-SYSTEM-F-DEVINACT, device inactive
The following Internet devices are still active on your system:

BG1:

Before restarting the Internet software you should stop the process associated with the above BG devices. To locate these processes issue the DCL command SHOW DEVICE BGn/FULL

My result from doing this:

SHOW DEVICE BG1/FULL

Device BG1, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-oriented device, network device, mailbox device.

And the only useful information seems to be:

Owner Process â TCPIP$INET_ACPâ
Owner ProcessID 00000030

I attempted what I considered would be the proper DCL command to stop the process:

$ stop TCPIP$INET_ACP
Object cannot be deleted

$ stop/identification=00000030
Object cannot be deleted

----------------------

As to answer your question as to why I post. I think this is a clear example. I read what I thought would be the online documentation for everything about TCP/IP but my issues were not covered in the text.

Also, I have found that sometimes the online help on the vax and in the printed material is not exactly what I am looking for.

So, Help, Please.

[Antoniov.]

Bill,
Analyze: file marked for delete is not a big problem but may means your disk has some trouble. File in use cannot be delete, they are marked for delete and deleted on close. Your ANALYZE/DISK solved, but you still warn on your HD.
QUOTA.SYS means you haven't assigned disk quota to your user. It's the same on my system.

TCP/IP: it appear as incomplete installation. At first glance you have not defined interface. Running TCPIP$CONFIG, select core then interface. You have to see something like interface WE0, IP_addr: 192.168.1.18 NETWRK: 255.255.255.0, Broadcast:192.168.1.255
You can test for Installation. From TCPIP$CONFIG main menu choice Run Tests, then internet IVP.

After TCPIP startup type:
$ TCPIP SH SERVICE
and you can see detailed information of any service, for example Telnet
$ TCPIP SH SERVICE TELNET /FULL

My question "Why you post ..." is just a joke to say "Don't worry!"; sorry for my fun english.

Antoni Vigliotti

[Bill Thompson_8]

This looks like a good place to start. I will do your suggestions and show the output here.

--- START OF COPIED DATA FROM TERMINAL ---

@sys$startup:TCPIP:STARTUP
%TCPIP-I-NORMAL, timezone information verified
%JBC-E-NOSUCHNODE, remote note is unknownn or not reachable

%TCPIP$NFS-I-NOMAP, No file system maping information available
-TCPIP$NFS-I-NOPAM, Refer to NFS server section
-TCPIP$NFS-I-NOMAP, Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Management Guide

%TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting MOUNTSERVICE
-SYSTEM-F-DEVINACT, device inactive inactive
%tcpip-e-starterror, error starting NFS service
-SYSTEM-F-DEVINACT, device inactive
%TCPIP$PP-I-INFO, Loading PPP Drivers and Callback

The Internet Network has already been started
%SYSTEM-F-DEVACTIVE, device is active

--- END OF COPIED DATA FROM TERMINAL ---

when I typed
tcpip sh service
EVERYTHING has an Address of 0.0.0 and
everything has a state of Disabled.

[Antoniov.]

Hi Bill,
ancient greek Kaos stands in your system :-)
From log of your post, I understand you have activated all tcp/ip services without configure them. For example NOSUCHNODE seems an LPD/LPR message and MOUNT is NFS error.

I think you have to simplify your trouble then you can solve one problem for time.
So
From your post of Aug 15, 2005 12:09:59 GMT, I understand TCP/IP is installed on system. Run config, disabel all services, configure core environment and startup tcp/ip.
$ @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG
5 - Shutdown TCP/IP
6 - Test component
1 - Internet IVP
3 - Server component
...disable all services
2 - Client component
...disable all services
1 - Core environment
2- Interface configure interface
Now you can startup tcp/ip core
6 - Startup TCP/IP service

After this operations you are sure tcp/ip core is running.
Post result of above process, then we can continue with next step.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Bill Thompson_8]

@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG
configuration options
5- Shutdown DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OPENVMS

Begin Shutdown...

TCPIP$FTP shutdown complete
%TCPIP-E-INTETERROR, internet interface error
-SYSTEM-F-DEVINACT, device inactive

The following Internet devices are still active
on your system:

BG1

Before restarting the Internet software you
should stop the process associated with the
above BGdevices. To locate these processes,
issue the DCL command SHOW DEVICE BGn/Full

--------
ok, this is taking a momentary detour from your
instructions but, once again, I am going to try
to fix this.

I will return to your steps shortly.
--------

When I typed...
$ SHOW DEVICE BG1/FULL
I got these results:

Device BG1, device type unknown, is online, mounted, record-oriented
device, network device, mailbox device,
Error count 0
Owner process "TCPIP$INET_ACP"
Owner process ID 00000030
Reference count 1
Operatinos completed 0
Owner UIC [system]
Dev Prot S:RWL, O:RWPL, G:RWPL, W:RWPL
Default buffer size 256


When I typed...
$ stop TCPIP$INET_ACP
I got this result:

%SYSTEM-F-NODELETE, object cannot be deleted

--------
ok, this is the end of my momentary detour from your
instructions.
--------

Continuing your instructions, the next step is
6 - Test component

On my OpenVMS 7.2-1 that is option 7

Then:

1 - Internet IVP

Output:

Begin IVP...

%%% TCPIP IVP: STARTED %%%

%%% TCPIP IVP: error -- TCPIP Device Assign %%%
% SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available
IVP requewst completed



3 - Server component
...disable all services
2 - Client component
...disable all services


1 - Core environment

The options here are:
1 - BIND Resolver
2 - Domain
3 - Routing
4 - Interfaces
5 - Time Zone
A - Congigure Option 1-5

Enter configuration option: 4

Interface Configuration *Not Confugured*

Now, I am stuck.
What do I do now?

2- Interface configure interface
Now you can startup tcp/ip core
6 - Startup TCP/IP service

[Antoniov.]

Bill,
interface not configured.
At momentt, this is the main trouble for your tcp/ip software.
What do you have to do?
Depend by what do you want.
If this host is in a LAN, you have to astk to network administrator for ip address and other parameters.
Suppose, at moment, this is not important becuase you want statup tcp/ip just for testing.
Configure interface manually.
Enter a name of your host like "lonehost"
Internet address like 192.168.59.59 (I bet no any host used it!)
Internet network mask: 255.255.255.0
Broadcast address: 192.168.59.255
Then start tcp/ip
Above configuration is just for a testing. Toy can't work in network.

Antonio Vigliotti