NTP on OpenVMS?

[Scott Frye_1]

In our Unix world, we can set each server to do an NTP sync to a server so all times are in sync... Is there such a thing in VMS? If so, can someone help me in setting this up for VMS?

Thanks

Scott

[Dale A. Marcy]

Yes, NTP can be set up in VMS, the how depends on your IP stack. I am guessing that you have TCPIP from HP, but there are at least 2 other stacks available from Process (Multinet and TCPware). We use Multinet here. To determine if you have multinet, you can type the following command:

$ multinet show/version

(can be shortened to mu sho/ver)

If you do not have multinet, it will respond with %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling

If you do have multinet, it will respond with the version of multinet you have installed.

[Dale A. Marcy]

If you do have TCPIP from HP, here is a link to a previous question about configuring NTP:

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=752540

[Antoniov.]

Scott,
welcome in VMS world.
I hope you like this operating system.
Now some tips.
In vms you can execute any command file with symbol @ before file name.
You want to activate NTP server, that's a component of TCP/IP suite; execute TCP/IP configurator with
$ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG
where,
$ symbol means shell level (you don't type it)
@ symbol means you want execute command file
SYS$STARTUP: is a logical name where file is located; it is like a mapped file of window
TCPIP$CONFIG is file name; in VMS dollar is no special character (doesn't mean variable transaltion like unix)

I hope read you again.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Scott Frye_1]

OK, I just ran TCPIP$CONFIG and I can see where NTP is not enabled on this node. What I don't see is where I tell in the IP address of the server it needs to sync with. Can anyone give me pointers on that?

Thanks for the great info! I love the HP forum!

Scott

[Scott Frye_1]

Also, to answer a previous question, we are not using multinet (not anymore). We just migrated off it about 8 months ago.

Thanks

Scott

[Martin Vorlaender]

Scott,

>>>
What I don't see is where I tell in the IP address of the server it needs to sync with. <<<

TCP/IP Services (nee UCX) uses an NTP.CONF file. See the docs at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_028.html#ntp_config for details.

HTH,
Martin

[Scott Frye_1]

I created my conf file with the same settings we had on our testing node. I then enabled and started the NTP. Now when I do a show system /process=NTP* I don't see it running.

[Antoniov.]

Scott,
NTP process name is like TCPIP$NTP_1 so you could issue
$ SHOW SYS/PROC=*NTP*
to see it.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Antoniov.]

Again,
the right way to see active tcp/ip services is
$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE
or else
$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE NTP /FULL

Antonio Vigliotti

[Volker Halle]

Scott,

if the TCPIP$NTP_1 process does not show up after starting the NTP service, consdier to check the logfile: SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG for possible error messages.

Volker.

[Scott Frye_1]

I was lazy in my typing, I did do a 'show system /proc=TCPIP$NTP_1 and nothing was running.

I will check the logs pointed out here.

Thanks!!

[Antoniov.]

Scott,
you have to learn the right way to find what you need.
For any tcp/ip service the best way is:
$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE /FULL
in this case
$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE NTP /FULL
You can see process name, command file to execute, log file (that is SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG) and some other information.
SYS$SPECIFIC usually is the same of SYS$ROOT as posted by Volker.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Scott Frye_1]

Thanks Antonio...
I entered @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG. I took server options then ntp then start and enable ntp. then I ran your command TCPIP SHOW SERVICE NTP /FULL and got this output.

Service: NTP
State: Disabled
Port: 123 Protocol: UDP Address: 0.0.0.0
User_name: not defined Process: TCPIP$NTP

[Scott Frye_1]

I tried to start NTP but it doesn't appear to be running.

8060SF03 HNAC$ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP.COM
%TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE installed
%TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created
%TCPIP-I-INFO, service enabled
%TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCPIP$NTP startup completed
8060SF03 HNAC$ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE

Service Port Proto Process Address State

FTP 21 TCP TCPIP$FTP 0.0.0.0 Enabled
MQ_PROD 1414 TCP MQ_PROD 0.0.0.0 Enabled
NTP 123 UDP TCPIP$NTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled
REXEC 512 TCP TCPIP$REXEC 0.0.0.0 Disabled
RLOGIN 513 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Disabled
RSH 514 TCP TCPIP$RSH 0.0.0.0 Disabled
SMTP 25 TCP TCPIP$SMTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled
TELNET 23 TCP not defined 0.0.0.0 Enabled
TFTP 69 UDP TCPIP$TFTP 0.0.0.0 Disabled

[Robert_Boyd]

It looks as if you have not set up your NTP config file.

Please check to see if you have a file SYS$SYSROOT:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.CONF

If not then you will want to edit the TCIP$NTP.TEMPLATE in the same directory to suit your needs and save it to TCPIP$NTP.CONF

Presumably you will want to replicate the kinds of settings you use on your other systems.

Robert

[Volker Halle]

Scott,

the NTP service logfile is: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG - please check for errors.

Volker.

[Antoniov.]

Hi Scott,
your NTP service can't start. This checklist can help you.
1) Go into NTP directory; type
$ SET DEF SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]
2) Look at this directory; type
$ DIR ;

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

LOGIN.COM;1
TCPIP$NTP.CONF;4
TCPIP$NTP.DRIFT;77
TCPIP$NTP.TEMPLATE;
TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG;55

Total of 5 files, 20 blocks.

3) May be you don't see TCPIP$NTP.CONF; if you don't see it do:
$ COPY TCPIP$NTP.TEMPLATE TCPIP$NTP.CONF
4) Look at log file; type
$ TYPE TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG
If you have some dubt about information, attach it and we can help you.

At now I have no any idea about your trouble.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Scott Frye_1]

Here are the files:

8060SF03 HNAC$ set def sys$specific:[tcpip$ntp]
8060SF03 HNAC$ dir

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

LOGIN.COM;1 1/9 4-AUG-2005 09:11:52.48 4-AUG-2005 09:11:52.49
TCPIP$NTP.CONF;4 6/9 10-AUG-2005 15:41:54.28 10-AUG-2005 15:41:54.33
TCPIP$NTP.CONF;3 6/9 4-AUG-2005 11:01:03.98 4-AUG-2005 11:01:03.99
TCPIP$NTP.CONF;2 6/9 4-AUG-2005 10:40:24.06 4-AUG-2005 10:40:24.07
TCPIP$NTP.TEMPLATE;2 6/9 4-AUG-2005 10:35:16.41 4-AUG-2005 10:35:16.43
TCPIP$NTP.TEMPLATE;1 6/9 4-AUG-2005 09:11:52.55 4-AUG-2005 09:11:52.57

Total of 6 files, 31/54 blocks.

Also, I'm attaching my conf file

[Andy Bustamante]

Your config file came out with carrage return/line feeds stripped. Type this out on the VMS system, make sure this isn't 1 line.

type sys$specific:[tcpip$ntp]TCPIP$NTP.CONF

Assuming it was scrambled in the transfer,

You'll want to comment out the sample peer entries. "SERVER host" should be added.

Execute "@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands" This will make NTPDATE available allowing you to make sure your VMS system is getting properly from server. NTPDATE -h will show the UNIX expected options.

Other thing to check is your time zone configuration. "SHOW LOGICAL *TIME*" and look for SYS$LOCALTIME, SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING, SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL. These are set with SYS$MANAGER:@UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM

Recent verions of VMS will make the time zone change automatically if you elect to configure this although patches are required.


Andy

[Scott Frye_1]

Yes, my config file lost its CR on the FTP.

I looked at another node that has the working properly and copied the config file as is. It has two entries in the peer section just as I do.

I did the show logical *time*
8060SF03 HNAC$ show logical *time*

(LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)

(LNM$JOB_81D9E5C0)

(LNM$GROUP_000501)

(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

"PATROL$POLLTIME_HNAC3181" = "<3181>00:10:00"
"SYS$DST_DELTA_TIME" = "ffff73cfa1a67b63"
"SYS$LOCALTIME" = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US]EAST-INDIANA."
"SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "0"
"SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-18000"
"SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "EST"
"SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "EST5"
"TCPIP$BIND_TIMEOUT" = "...."
"TCPIP$TELNETSYM_IDLE_TIMEOUT" = "0 00:00:05.00"

(LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)

(DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)

[Antoniov.]

Scott,
may you attach log file?

Antonio Vigliotti

[Scott Frye_1]

There is no log file.

[Antoniov.]

Scott,
missed log file is very interesting.
Even without conf file, my NTP create a log file.
So, why your server NTP can't create log file (and can't start)?
At first glance, there is some installation mismatch.
Try follow checklist:
1) You must find a user TCPIP$NTP in sysuaf. This user must be like this
Username: TCPIP$NTP Owner: TCPIP$NTP
Account: TCPIP UIC: [3655,1] ([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$N)
CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES
Default: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]
LGICMD: LOGIN
Flags: Restricted
Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
Secondary days: Sat Sun
Primary 000000000011111111112222 Secondary 000000000011111111112222
Day Hours 012345678901234567890123 Day Hours 012345678901234567890123
Network: ##### Full access ###### ##### Full access ######
Batch: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Local: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Dialup: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Remote: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
2) In SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP] file LOGIN.COM must be almost empty.
3) Check for SYLOGIN.COM if lock network session.

Antonio Vigliotti

[Scott Frye_1]

Here is my user:

Username: TCPIP$NTP Owner: TCPIP$NTP
Account: TCPIP UIC: [3655,5] ([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP])
CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES
Default: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]
LGICMD: LOGIN
Flags: Restricted
Primary days: Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri
Secondary days: Sat Sun
Primary 000000000011111111112222 Secondary 000000000011111111112222
Day Hours 012345678901234567890123 Day Hours 012345678901234567890123
Network: ##### Full access ###### ##### Full access ######
Batch: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Local: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Dialup: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------
Remote: ----- No access ------ ----- No access ------

My login.com file has one line in it.
8060SF03 HNAC$ type login.com
$! login.com for Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS auxiliary service