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09-26-2006 07:35 PM
09-26-2006 07:35 PM
Switch GS to ES in SAN env
We will keep the system disk and all the data disks as they are (except for the changes required to function : network card names, licenses etc). So all naming will be the same as before.
Since this is production and we can not go down for a long long time, there is no time to take a full backup. There is no system to test the operation in advance.
Is there something that can go wrong and make the data on disk corrupt (damaged) ?
Wim
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09-26-2006 08:00 PM
09-26-2006 08:00 PM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
we did same a year ago. We exchanged also 4 GS160 by 2 ES45 with Memory channel and we also have a SAN (one year ago a XP1024 and now a XP12000)
As far as I remember, I had not even to reconfigure the network, because also the NIC was same.
Some time ago another (lazy) Systmmanager did same in the test environment. He forgott to power down the old GS160 and he also forgot to set AUTO_ACTION to halt. 2 days after he did the change one of the GS160 had a problem. We don't know exactly what happened, but the GS160 did a init and started to boot.
At this time, the San team did not yet remove the GS160 from the zone and so the GS was able to boot to its old root [sys3]. NI was not enabled for cluster communication and so we got a partitioned cluster!!!
My recommendation: Immediately after shutting down a GS160 set auto__action to halt, clear the variable bootdef_dev and then power down the GS as soon as possible.
Under normal conditions the exchange of GS160 with ES 45 is absolutely no problem.
Regrads
Heinz
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09-26-2006 08:44 PM
09-26-2006 08:44 PM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
Initially we have added the ES47's to the existing cluster, configured and tested everything (yes, in the production environment) and then shutdown the GS systems. This procedure prevented the situation with an old system "go wild". Essential is that we did not reuse system roots.
HTH,
Bart Zorn
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09-26-2006 08:49 PM
09-26-2006 08:49 PM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
Why didn't you reuse the system roots ?
IMO this is the only way to be sure that the config is the same as on the old system (e.g. tcpip).
Furthermore it is required that nodes names do not change (are in config files, .com files etc).
Wim
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09-27-2006 12:27 AM
09-27-2006 12:27 AM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
I would agree with Bart, my preference would be to duplicate the system roots and integrate the new systems into the cluster, removing the old one at a later point.
If you want to maintain the system roots, I would remove (e.g., shutdown, PHYSICALLY disconnect the cables) of one GS-class system, and replace its role in the cluster with an ES-class system. I would then continue this process one node at a time.
For backup, I would be inclined to use some spare capacity on the SAN to add an additional shadow to each drive, and then take a small downtime (lt 5 minutes) to disconnect the spares.
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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09-27-2006 12:39 AM
09-27-2006 12:39 AM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
Physical disconnect is what we are planning.
Note that each cluster node has it's own system disk on its own SAN.
Wim
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09-27-2006 04:28 AM
09-27-2006 04:28 AM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
I'll agree with Robert on this. Additionally, as part of your planning process, specify a temporary PAKs with the new ES-45s. HP is very accommodating with temporary PAKs when ordering new hardware.
I would run memexer_mp for 2-3 days prior to booting the new systems, boot them into the cluster with your temporary PAKs for tuning and testing.
Once you're satisfied with new systems, physically uncable the GS-160s.
Document the boot roots in a prominent place. Iâ ve had field service replace motherboards and not realize this had to be set.
Andy
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09-27-2006 06:07 AM
09-27-2006 06:07 AM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
My choice, like Bart's and Robert's, would be to ADD a node. Normally, all common parts would be ins SYS$COMMON:[...], and only very little in SYS$SPECIFIC:[...]
And the nice part of this: exactly THOSE things that ARE the machine-specific items that (may) need to be adapted.
I DO have some reservations about your mentionong node names in .COM files. If those are common, then it is my sentiment that your environment was not build for flexibility. But, no use crying over spilled milk.
If you still have sufficient time, maybe that can be still addressed, but it will not be simple. (although: nearly always you can cheat your way around by LogicalNames. That WILL generate potential confusion for a successor, if that would come to pass).
In my view, the best part of the - add node - test node - start using new node in production - remove old node - scenario, is that you continue to have your full production environment.
If the worst comes to pass, all that will be lost is your effort, but not your operational environment.
As always, MY views are not necessarily the way YOU need to look at this, but WE have good experiences with the above ways.
YMMV
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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10-01-2006 06:32 PM
10-01-2006 06:32 PM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
The tests are done on the node name, so no possibility to change that without changes to the .com files. The problem is that the expected lifetime of the application is longer than the expected implementation time. So, no go.
I wouldn't go for adding the node to the cluster because :
1) it is still possible to "forget" something when doing the setup and we don't have the possibility to test (the real stuff starts Monday at 8:00).
2) testing the additional node within the cluster could cause a cluster crash (note that our 7.3 is only patched until mar-2003) or a cluster transition. Both are to be avoided.
But the primary question was :
Is there something that can go wrong and make the data on disk corrupt (damaged) ?
Wim
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10-01-2006 07:25 PM
10-01-2006 07:25 PM
Re: Switch GS to ES in SAN env
like Robert said, we started off with copies of the system roots of the running systems.
When the new systems were tested OK, we shut down the old systems, one by one of course, and renamed the new systems. Of course, we also changed DECnet and IP configurations at this point. DECnet is not critical in our environment, but IP is. We have the complete IP configuration of the whole cluster in one command file and that made that transition easy to do.
Regards,
Bart