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тАО08-15-2005 03:36 AM
тАО08-15-2005 03:36 AM
SDLT reliability
One of his clients has had their drive replaced four or five times, along with media replaced by HP because of tape-edge damage.
Has anybody else had less than optimal performance out of their SDLT drives?
(The drive that the customer who's suffered so many replacements is at the current firmware version and is suffering parity errors on new, HP-supplied, Quantum tapes.)
Thanks in advance
Steve
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тАО08-15-2005 01:58 PM
тАО08-15-2005 01:58 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
yep, I've had to have an SDLT drive replaced 5 or six times.
Hp have blamed the tapes, however it is always the same drive that need replacing (I have 4),
and different tapes have been used.
The backup will run ok and then after a variable ammount of time (ie not always at the same point) the backup will fail.
Matt
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тАО08-15-2005 04:52 PM
тАО08-15-2005 04:52 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
Peter Q
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тАО08-15-2005 06:30 PM
тАО08-15-2005 06:30 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
We've had no drive swap outs yet and have had about half of the drives since they became available (so a mixture of Compaq and HP badges).
About 6 of the 10 units are used daily.
I think the MTBF for SDLT media is the same as DLT.
Do you use a cleaning tape on the drives regularly? I've been told only to clean them when asked.
Kind Regards
John.
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тАО08-15-2005 07:04 PM
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Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО08-15-2005 07:16 PM
тАО08-15-2005 07:16 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО08-15-2005 08:07 PM
тАО08-15-2005 08:07 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
In general, they've been better than previous drives (DLT III, DLTIV) but still do require the ocassional swap out or jammed tape.
Robert.
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тАО08-15-2005 08:47 PM
тАО08-15-2005 08:47 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
For the client that's had four or five drives, no problems with the SCSI bus or the adapter are indicated. The client has had a brand new Quantum tape that has failed, the tape being replaced after the previous one suffered tape edge damage.
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тАО08-16-2005 10:30 PM
тАО08-16-2005 10:30 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
A quote from a former colleague who worked in DEC tape engineering (TK70 etc) will always stick in my mind. He was asked at a DECUS what he thought of exabyte drives. Without blinking, he responded... "They are great for backups.... But terrible for restores...." Nuff said...
q
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тАО08-17-2005 02:16 AM
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тАО08-17-2005 02:29 AM
тАО08-17-2005 02:29 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
Thanks!
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тАО08-17-2005 05:41 AM
тАО08-17-2005 05:41 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО09-13-2005 04:23 AM
тАО09-13-2005 04:23 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
We recently ran Tape Edge Damage test for the new drives and 5 of the 16 replaced drives were failed.
Not sure where to go from here.
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тАО09-15-2005 08:32 PM
тАО09-15-2005 08:32 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО09-15-2005 09:13 PM
тАО09-15-2005 09:13 PM
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тАО09-16-2005 01:59 AM
тАО09-16-2005 01:59 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
But I lost count of how many drive/controller replacements we have had for the DLT891.
Wim
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тАО09-27-2005 02:44 AM
тАО09-27-2005 02:44 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО10-05-2005 12:00 PM
тАО10-05-2005 12:00 PM
Re: SDLT reliability
Tapes with TED can bring down SDLT drives.
I recommend DLT drivs or LTO drives.
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тАО10-06-2005 05:34 AM
тАО10-06-2005 05:34 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
If you run the TED test on the tape and it passes with no TED damage, then the tape should be fine, set it aside and try the next tape, and so on. Set aside the tapes that are reported as having TED, and dispose of them.
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тАО10-06-2005 09:11 PM
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Re: SDLT reliability
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тАО10-19-2005 03:47 AM
тАО10-19-2005 03:47 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
There are a few things to remember when dealing with tape drives and keeping up the reliability of backups and restores.
Do use cleaning tapes every time the drive asks for it. The more you use new tapes, the more residue will be emitted from them on the read/write head. More used tapes emit less residue. You can run a cleaning several times consecutively if needed. Do _never ever_ overuse the cleaning cartridges!
Handle tapes as specified (=carefully). Don't forget to do "retensioning" regularly.
Update drive (and library) firmware when new versions become available. Firmware updates do correct problems and makes drives more reliable. They are not made just for fun. One tool you can use yourself for firmware updates is HP LTT. If unsure, do call HP support for assistance.
Some DLT or SDLT tapes might have quality problems. I've seen that also.
When keeping drives in good shape, there won't be much problems and tapes last longer, too. I don't mean that somebody neglects necessary servicing of his drives, but what I want to point out is, that servicing them is very important, because newer drives have very tight tolerances and a lot smaller deviations can cause problems where they weren't seen before with earlier drives. The data density on the tape has grown enormously since when DLT technique was introduced back in '85. At that time you could write 95MB of data on a tape. The newest SDLT tape will hold 600GB of data (over 6000 times more) and the tape is roughly the same. No wonder it is important to care for the drives so they can accomplish their task.
The same discussion goes for LTO drives and tapes. They are similar to DLT and SDLT drives in many ways, even though LTO technique is only a few years old.
With over 15 years of experience with tape drives, I would say that DLT, SDLT and LTO drives are quite reliable.
Good luck with your backups and even more with the inevitable restores!
Kari
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тАО11-21-2005 03:44 AM
тАО11-21-2005 03:44 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
We replaced the HP (Overland Data was printed inside on all the circuit boards) with a StorageTek L80, which is 80 percent better. We still go through tape heads, but the library itself is more reliable. The tape heads also work, or they don't, which was a refreshing change. Under HP, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Wait a day and see. Was it the tape? The drive? The SCSI card? Oh, another firmware update, I see. We were always chasing our tails with intermittent problems.
We recently discovered how to put the leader back into the sdlt drives so we don't need to wait for an overnight replacement. We put the leader back in in 10 minutes, once or twice a month. We got a bad batch of tapes not packaged properly and were damaged in shipment, internal damage so I can't tell until the tape causes the tape drive leader to pull out. I tried to work with the vendor to get the tapes packaged properly but had to change vendors.
I just ordered an L80 with HP LTO-3 drives. If they work out, no more sdlt. We could replace all the sdlt drives with LTO drives - because we bought the L80 which is upgradeable. It can even run sdlt and lto at the same time in the same library. Not so with an HP library. Having each available is great for transferring what can be read from the sdlt onto LTO - without buying an entirely new library.
Dan.
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тАО11-21-2005 03:55 AM
тАО11-21-2005 03:55 AM
Re: SDLT reliability
To add to my last post, I verify our tape backups - which causes twice the wear of course, but that is when I've found many problems. I presume that most sites, which do not recheck tapes periodically, or don't notice a tape only filled up part way, may think there is no problem. They just rely on the backup software to signal a problem - and some day they may have a rude awakening when they try to restore an entire system from a particular date.
Dan.