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тАО01-25-2008 06:10 AM
тАО01-25-2008 06:10 AM
Our XP12000 currently use Open-V LDEVs (our of 7+1 or 4+2 RAID sets). Additionally on the Hosts, webuild storage volumes consisting of 2 LDEVS each from diff ACPs and stripe them 8-ways.
Is there now an LDEV layout (LUSE?) that can present striped LDEVS as a stiped LUN to the host so host level striping is avoided and also lessen the number of LDEV/LUN presentations to a host?
With our EVA8100, we're dealing with signifiacntly small number of LUNS and can exact better performance (but no predictabioity of course)...
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тАО01-25-2008 09:43 AM
тАО01-25-2008 09:43 AM
SolutionThe best way to distribute IO across an XP is using a volume manager and stripe across Ldevs on all available array groups.
If we do not have a volume manager able of striping (Windows, Linux etc) we usually set up RAID5 (28+4) groups. Here an Ldev stripes across 32 drives.
See the attached slides for reference.
Cheers
XP-Pete
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тАО01-25-2008 10:05 AM
тАО01-25-2008 10:05 AM
Re: XP12000: Is there now a way for the array to present striped LDEVS - ala EVA?
SO I take it that LDEV Interleaving via RAID5 (14+2P or 28+4P) *is* the only way that an LDEV can be carved with the most number of spindles w/o engaging a host based Volume Manager like VxVM?
Are there no RAID1 based LDEV interleaving aside from your 4+4 scheme?
I guess what I'm trying to come up is to lessen the number of LUNS on the servers whilst still having the performance. But I guess that's just essentially best practice still these days for Hitachi Based arrays - right?
If Only HP can come up with Firmware on the USP that will come close to the manageability and RAID flexibility of the EVA - I think that will really be the day man.
So I guess we are still on the right track then with an additional level of RAIDing (striping) with VxVM. I sometimes employ Layered VOlumes with VxVM to come up with storage volumes that engage more spindles .
Thanks!
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тАО01-25-2008 10:10 AM
тАО01-25-2008 10:10 AM
Re: XP12000: Is there now a way for the array to present striped LDEVS - ala EVA?
Your comparsative performance for read and write - are you actually sugegsting that customers are better off with RAID5 or RAID6 layouts compared to RAID10?
We've plans to actually convert from RAID 7+1/6+2 over to RAID1 4+4 in the hope of besting EVA8K performance and better scale our TB sized Databases for mixed load performance.
Do you think we'll be better off with RAID5 (7+1) or RAID 6 (6+2)?
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тАО01-25-2008 12:20 PM
тАО01-25-2008 12:20 PM
Re: XP12000: Is there now a way for the array to present striped LDEVS - ala EVA?
The decission to choose wich is manly based on cost and write performance requirements.
While both have similar read performabnce RAID1 will have higher write performance.
I only recommend RAID5 28+4 for environments WITHOUT a volume manager capable of striping!!
28+4 has a slightly higher overhead in the XP than 7+1.
BTW: we have come up with new ways of doing it! But ....
this is only on the XP20/24000.
It is called Thin Provisioning (ThP) which allows the following:
1. presenting more capacity than actually physically present
2. provisioning of the LUN layout and capacities you expect in months or years from now.
3. striping in blocks of 42MB over a pool of Ldevs that can span a whole XP.
ThP comes very close to the EVA striping when it is used without overprovisioning!
Again, see the attached slides I created to explain ThP.
Cheers
XP-Pete