HP OneView vs. HP SIM

[Server-Support]

Hi All,

Can anyone here please explain what's the different between HP OneView and HP SIM ?

I notice that both can be used in production as freeware initially.

[wilber82]

Hey Albert,

Are you the guy had Emulex NIC problem on ESXi 5.5? :-)

I'm Wu Zheng.

[Server-Support]

@wilber82 Yes I am.

Hi man we meet again.

[ChrisLynch]

There are many differences between HPE SIM and HPE OneView.  I think it would be better to ask what are you trying to do?  Do know that HPE SIM and the Insight Mangement Suite are going to be EOL in the future (I cannot provide a timeframe in a public forum), with HPE OneView as the HPE infrastructure manager.

[Server-Support]

@ChrisLynch my goal is to be able to monitor the HP physical servers status for any hardware related issue and also disk space usage if possible.

At the moment HP SIM is running well, So I wonder what this HP One View VIrtual Appliance can do compare to my existing HP SIM.

My understanding at the moment is that HP OneView is available as freeware and only used for HP Blade or converged infrastructure monitoring & management. 

[WZheng]

I can't believe we met again on another forum...lol

Did you implement OneView in production? I'm not confident to use it since it can be a big disaster if the OneView VM crashed....

[Server-Support]

It's small world after all :-)

Whoa that sounds dangerous.

Glad to hear that I'm not using it or trusting it yet.

[Bart_Heungens]

I use it in production... And never had real problems with it...

Why is it dangerous? If I reboot my OV appliance for an update ofr instance all my servers keep running... I just don't have monitoring for those few minutes it is rebooting...

And if it crashes it allows you to create a backup from the configuration and restore the configuration after having deployed a new OV VM instance...

I am also a heavy SIM user, don't see that happening with SIM... I need to reboot my SIM more often due to the Windows OS underneath it, restore of the config? Don't even wanna think about it...

Kr,

Bart

[ChrisLynch]

Did you implement OneView in production? I'm not confident to use it since it can be a big disaster if the OneView VM crashed....

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with your statement.  If an HPE OneView appliance were to "crash" or the hypervisor hosting the appliance were to become unavailable (even if there isn't a hypervisor cluster member to restart the VM, which we do not recommend), the infrastructure it is managing will stay online and in an operational state.  You just cannot make any changes, or be alerted from the appliance until the appliance is back online.

While I would like to further discuss you opinion, please do not hijack the thread with a different conversation topic.  If you'd like to discuss this further, feel free to start a new thread or PM me.

[ChrisLynch]

@Server-Support, HPE OneView will monitor supported platforms for health and inventory data, when using the HP Standard license (which would be an HP SIM-like experience.)  HPE OneView is not freeware.  There are two different licensing models:

•  HPE OneView Standard - similar to HP SIM, in that it provides you with the basic Monitoring and Inventory data for supported¹ platforms. You select Monitor as the Management Intent when adding a supported DL or c7000 enclosure.  There are no license keys to manage or add.
•  HPE OneView Advanced - Full infrastructure provisioning and life cycle management for supported¹ HPE infrastructure.  Also entitles customers to use the HPE OneView for VMware vCenter or HPE OneView for Microsoft System Center plugins.  There are different SKU options to purchase, and can be added in a touch-free method (when adding a SKU to a supported DL or BL/c7000 Enclosure, the license key is added to either the iLO or OA, and OneView will read and add the key to the license pool automatically.)

HPE OneView does not integrate directly with the OS, and does not rely on or use OS Agents.  So, monitoring Disk Space utilization would not be possible with HPE OneView.  With the HPE OneView Advanced license and the plugins, you can monitor and manage your supported infrastructure from either VMware vCenter or Microsoft System Center (Opertations Manager and/or VMM). 

One of the main pain points we set out to fix was customers didn't want to install additional agents or components within their production OS if they weren't forced to.  They also didn't want to expose additional security rules from their management network(s) to the production network just for hardware monitoring sake.  So that is why HPE OneView doesn't inventory or communicate with the Host OS, and thus it can't natively monitor resources like Disk Space/Filesystem utilization.

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1. http://hpe.com/info/oneview/docs, select the specific HPE OneView Support Matrix version to review supported configurations.

[Server-Support]

@ChrisLynch ok, if HP One View virtual appliance can perform similar tasks & functionality like HP SIM, then I'll decommission my HP SIM to future proof myself and reduce the SQL Server database use :-)

[Server-Support]

@ChrisLynch

ok, so if there is already existing HP WBEM agents / SMH agent installed in all my physical servers, does HP OneView can perform the disk space scan & also hardware inventory alerting ?

[ChrisLynch · Accepted solution]

No. HPE OneView does not monitor OS or OS resources like file system usage. With an HPE OneView Advanced license, you would be entitled to use the management plugins I described above to monitor and manage the physical and OS resources.

[Server-Support]

Thanks for the sharing @ChrisLynch if that's the case, I'll then keep on using my trusted HP SIM for physical server monitoring capabilities.

[ChrisLynch]

Do you not use Microsoft System Center or VMware vCenter? 

Please keep in mind that HPSIM isn't going to be developed forever. HPE OneView is our go foward product for infrastructure monitoring and management.  HPE OneView just isn't going to carry over every feature found in HPSIM or the Insight Management Suite (aka Insight Control.)

[Server-Support]

@ChrisLynch Yes I do have VMware VCenter and also VeeamONE for monitoring of my VMs.

But what I do like with HP SIM isthat the ability to do:

• Physical hardware monitoring status and alert
• Physical server disk space utilization
• Physical server warranty maintenance reminder

That's all I use for the HP SIM v7.5, I was under the impression that the HP OneView standard edition no license can do similar things like the HP SIM above, but it turns out not according to my expectations.

[ChrisLynch]

HPE OneView can monitor and provide inventory data for supported platforms.

HPE OneView will not monitor the OS side, and we point our customers to using the OS vendor's management tools to do so.  Our entitled plugins extend the OS vendors management tools to populate HPE specific

HP OneView will provide contract/warranty and call home capabilities in a future release.  I just cannot comment on when and what release in a public forum.

I would encourage you to try HPE OneView out, as at some point you will be needing HPE OneView for your HPE infrastructure monitoring and management needs.

[danilovenancio1]

I like OneView, but I preffer HP SIM, by chance someone knows how I can add item to my collections tree in "System and Event collections" by Single discovery. Help me please. 

REGARDS.

[Server-Support]

@danilovenancio1 which part or feature that you like in HP OneView as oppose to HP SIM ?

[CCSINFRA]

@Chris Lynch, HP Does everything here still hold up in 2017?

Currently we are looking at possibly moving toward OneView and away from HP SIM. However, before we do we were trying to figure out the key differences. I know OneView needs a dedicated Virtual Server and can do real time monitoring, something HP SIM can't.

1. Will it process alerts for systems with expired HPE support? Or Alert us when a warranty or support experation nears?
2. Will OneView auto-generate calls for systems with HPE support when hardware fails simlar to how HP SIM does?

[Syed Ehtisham]

Hi Everyone!

         Just to add a comment here, Oneview cannot result in a disaster when OneView VM is crashed, the servers itself keep on working fine until the OV VM is re-installed again and backup config is restored again, so no loss of production data upon VM crashed. Secondly! we  have been deploying oneview in PAK and promoting it as this is the most powerfull infrastructure manager by HPE that is competing Cisco UCS Manager.

[Syed Ehtisham]

Features like, Virtual Serial Number, MACs and WWNs, Automated online migration of server profiles from one server to another incase a hardware failure is occurred. we have boot from san environment running under Vmware, we also have 2Xbackup blade servers in the chassis without profiles, if anyone server in my cluster go down or in degraded state, OneView take this server offline from cluster, unassign the profile, assign this profile to my backup blade and power it on, so my cluster is transparent that my hardware have gone changed.. do you have these features in SIM? I work for HPE Partner and working in PAKistan for more than 19 years on HPE Servers, Storages and Unix boxes.

[Sactown]

Hi Chris,

Now that it is nearly 4.5 years later, would you please update your reply with what OneView 5 can do?

[Andre Stewart]

I, too, am looking to monitor HPE physical servers, workstations and the VMs in a single HPE/vCenter "cluster".  My initial intent is to make asset management more efficient and also perform some capacity planning through the monitoring of phyiscal resources (storage capacity, etc.) and performance.  I have a mixture of OSs in both the physical and VM environments.  Will OneView standard accomplish this for me? 

Also, will OneView discover non-HPE branded servers/workstations (such as those using OpenManage Server Administrator (OMSA)) and other HP/HPE and non-HP/HPE resources on a network (managed Ethernet switches, SAN switches, printers, etc.)?

Respectfully

[ChrisLynch]

I, too, am looking to monitor HPE physical servers and the VMs in a single vCenter "cluster".  My initial intent is to make asset management more efficient and also perform some capacity planning through the monitoring of phyiscal resources (storage capacity, etc.) and performance.  I have a mixture of OSs in both the physical and VM environments.  Will OneView standard accomplish this for me? 

HPE OneView does not monitor or inventory anything above the hardware.  HPSIM did and provided by the HPE Insight Control Virtual Machine Management pack.  HPE OneView is not a direct, feature to feature replacement to HPSIM.  Instead, we have plugins to VMware vCenter and Microsoft System Center that rather integrate the HPE OneView data into those consoles.

Also, will OneView discover non-HP branded servers (such as those using OpenManage Server Administrator (OMSA)) and resources on a network (managed Ethernet switches, SAN switches, printers, etc.)?

As I called out in my previous statement, no.  HPE OneView has a very specific support matrix, which I advise you take a look at for more information on what devices are supported in the HPE OneView Support Matrix.  If it is not listed, it's not supported.