Anyone seen this article?

[Duncan Edmonstone]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15834

In my experience the inquirer gets a kick out of bashing HP, so I don't give it much credibility, but it would be nice for a HP person to squash this FUD quickly...

Is it just me, or do the IT press seem to be going in the same direction as TV and newspaper press, in that they're trying to *make* the news, rather than *report it*

Cheers,


Duncan

[Uwe Zessin]

Oh well, bad news are good news for the press. I sometimes read these things as I sometimes watch one of these afternoon shows for my amusement.

Thanks, but I see that some work is waiting for me. Will you excuse me now?

[Geoff Wild]

Hmnnn...interesting to say the "least"...

Not quite like the roadmap mentioned here:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040219125800.html

Rgds...Geoff

[John Poff]

Duncan,

Thanks for posting the link. I'm not worried.

Looks like a gossip columnist with a tight deadline and no story. Besides, everybody knows that the real rumors get traded over adult beverages, and not milk shakes. ;)

JP

[Ganesh Babu]

looks like a kind of rumour.. i don't believe this..

Ganesh

[John Dvorchak]

I have never seen the "inquirer" before but I do have one observation about the author of that article. He seems to be more concerned with sounding "cute" than reporting a piece of information. I had to read the darn thing twice to get what he could have said in two well thought out sentences. Oh well, maybe they are paying by the word and he felt compelled to use all of them he knew.

[Steven E. Protter]

Not much meet to the article.

Clearly not a lot of fact checking.

It reads to me similar to this: Did such and such pop star break up with her boyfriend? Maybe.

Not much credence. All I've heard is there's another version of HP-UX coming.

With regards to Itanium, my suppliers indicate those servers can be picked up at a steep discount. Thats a sign of difficulty selling them. Thats a lot more meat than the article.

SEP

[Mel Burslan]

Well, I am sure someone from HP will deny this sooner or later if the thing gets out of proportion but it is impossible to deny the trend at HP. They are aligning to be a services company rather than being a hardware/software development house. This is from the CEO's mouth in the past not something that I am making up.

They have killed or killing the most successful server architecture (maybe second after DEC/Alpha) called PA-Risc in favor of getting in bed with Intel. Yeah, they say they co developed the Itanium with intel but look whose production label is on the chip.

I do not trust HP keeping the development of HP/UX once Linux is mature enough for, ummm, Itanium ??? Look how they are yanking the chain of MPE users.

HP is a business and they do what business requires to make the shareholders happy. Less money company spends on development of products, while selling the same amount of goods (financially speaking), hardware, software or services, they will make The Street extremely happy.

This is no longer Mr. Hewlett's or Mr. Packard's company unfortunately.

I do not foresee the abandonment of HP/UX in the near future, but I am sure HP will dump it quicker than you can say "cat and a half" when the opportunity arises.

My 2 cents...

[Uwe Zessin]

Hm. Eva is a female's name in this part of the world.

Seeing the writing style, however, it could also be an alternate identity of Mike. ;-)

[Marvin Strong]

Well, until I hear from HP, or Intel, I will disgard that article as garbage.

[Bruno Ganino]

I believe that this article could be only an jokey of author.
Bruno

[Gregory Fruth]

Who really knows if the report is reliable;
it's just what a lot of people are thinking
anyway. It seems pretty shaky, but the
Inquirer does get bits right from time to
time, or at least hits too close to home
for comfort (do a search on "gulfstream").

Marvin: Ask some HP3000 MPE users how that
strategy worked out for them.

[doug mielke]

one thing that I've noticed over the past year or so is the diluted enthusiasm in HP's press over their love affair with Intel. A year ago, Intel was the way of the future, lately HP likes to describe big Intel systems as one of many HP solutions. In another year, who can say what their relationship will be.

[Michael Tully]

Road maps can easily be changed, just like web pages disappearing.

We'll just have to see what we'll see ...

[generic_1]

Perhaps AMD? :) Who knows.

I think as long as HP sticks with what it does well it will do just fine with HPUX.

I think they have a good HA product, high end database hardwares such as superdome, and customer service which gives them a good competative edge in those markets.

[Jeff Schussele]

Hmmm....doesn't HP build their *own* Itanium chips?
If so, who gives a flying frick about Intel does or doesn't do in the future?

My 2 cents,
Jeff

[Hemanth Gurunath Basrur]

Hi,

This is a rumour.

Refer to the foll. links from Intel Website:

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/SP100997.HTM

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/SP101497.HTM

HP is deploying Itanium-based solutions and has earned lot of customers.

Regards,
Hemanth

[Dani Seely]

Sounds more like an 'urban legend'. Publicity is publicity, look at how many people read this article. It put the thought out there and I'm sure that sooner or later HP can dispell it as a rumor.

[Rita C Workman]

..makes you understand the wisdom is the old adage:

"...believe none of what you hear and only 50% of what you see"

Rgrds,
Rita

[Robin Sod]

try this one:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15704

And this is no rumour, they currently have vistors from India!

[Nicolas Dumeige]

Hi all,

This paper is just cheap chat ...

Intel has lately gain much more respect and audience in the Unix world.
1) First because of Linux (and all the free Unix-like OS) developpement.
2) HP give up R&D on the Alpha processor
3) Even Sun is now an Intel resaler ! ( and Micro$oft partner !!! )
....

But what it's all about at the end :
- intel was suppposed to make amazing performance affordable but Itanium no cost killer CPU
- the Itanium2 lack compatibility, with x86 architecture and even with Itanium1

I guess I'm a little desappointed ...

Cheers

Nicolas

[Cheryl Griffin]

The inquirer.net is known for their rubbish.

Every story seems to be written with a huge chip on their shoulder.

[Mel Burslan]

We all know that inquirer.net is pretty much the internet counterpart of affectionately similar sounding tabloid Enquirer that one sees at the grocery store checkout lanes with impossible to believe stories as their headlines. No one denies that. They are not credible too much but as someone else mentioned earlier in this thread, they hit few birds with the many stones they throw. They were the ones who reported about Carly's new private jet :)

Also, the story about outsourcing to india is more than just a rumor. All HP insiders know that this is the truth. I personally know a few people at HP who were shown the door after training the people who will take their jobs and do them from India. So, the "big chip on their shoulder" is not there all the time.

I know that there is no official word from HP that they are going to abandon HPUX, but again, no smoke without fire. Up until few years ago, there was no word from HP to abandon MPE neither. Look where we are now...

[Ted Buis]

How could HP abandon HP-UX? There are too many paying support customers, as well as new sales. HP-UX roadmaps look good for the next few years. Anything beyond that is pure speculation. HP doesn't manufacture Itanium chips although HP does work with Intel on designs. HP did just come out with the mx2 module that puts two Madison processors in a single module with a 32 MB of chip cache. Intel publicly has discussed their plans for Madison+, Montecito and Tukwila, and has said that they will improve performance of Itanium at a faster rate than Xeon, and will get to price parity between Xeon and Itanium in 2007. The article has no specifics, so is what is there to refute?

[Kent Ostby]

We live in a world of instant "news" and rumor.

Sometimes this can be of great benefit bringing to light both serious and useful information.

Other times, it brings up all sorts of junk.

Itanium's demise has been rumored long before it ever existed, I'm sure this wont be the last story we here like this.

Who knows, 20 years from now it might be right :-)

Best regards,

Kent M. Ostby