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Cem Tugrul
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Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Could anyone give a brief details if any differences between 11iv1 and 11iv2
Thank's..
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Ivan Krastev
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

See release notes for 11v2 - http://docs.hp.com/en/oshpux11iv2.html#Release%20Notes

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ivan
tkc
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

what i know is the pa-risc machine is running on 11iv1 while the itanium machine is running on 11iv1.
tkc
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

what i know is the pa-risc machine is running on 11iv1 while the itanium machine is running on 11iv2.
Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Hostname newhr
Model 9000/800/L3000-7x
uname -a HP-UX newhr B.11.11 U 9000/800 797907601 unlimited-user license
Software ID (not available on every machine)
# CPUs 2 (may include iCOD CPUs)
# disks 8
Memory Physical: 8388608 Kbytes, lockable: 7668448 Kbytes, available: 7396432 Kbytes

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Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

L3000-7x 2.0 PA8700
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whiteknight
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

hi Cem,

Here is the detail of 11iv2, for your 11.23 for PARISC

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/erc/downloads/hpux-11i-v2-overview-sept04-v19-050510.pdf

WK
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Joël Techer
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Hi,

11iv1 and 11iv2 can be installed on PA-RISC platform

But on Itanium machine , this is only 11iv2.

Regards

Joel
Steven E. Protter
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Shalom,

The End of Life date on both OS's is the same.

That is a little unusual. There are features for NFS and other major areas being built for 11.23 and not for 11.11.

That makes it hard to take the risk of migrating applications to 11.23. If I had my way, I'd wait until the second bi-annual patch set on 11.31 and try and migrate to that.

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Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Thank's for all replies..
i am considering my server to upgrade 11iv1
to 11iV2...it is a critical server HR systems
running oracle DB 9.2.0 and OAS 11.5.9 also
running with HP Omniback DP 5.5.
The applications and oracle DB seem compatible with 11iV2...
so i just want to upgrade hp-ux not a cold install.This server also connects to my EVA5000 SAN and just use a single LUN for
oracle.
What are the upgrade steps?i have surely 2 mirror root disks on my rootvg so if i want to keep my 11iv1 on one of my root disk then
upgrade 11iv2 on the other one so if everyting Ok (after migration) then i can mirror my rootvg...
Could anyone describe these steps?
Thank's..

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Wim Rombauts
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

In that case, what goal do you want to reach by upgrading ? What is the gain ?
Bacause if you just wish to upgrade for the feeling of running a more recent OS, it will be a lot of work, trouble and risks for nothing.

My advice : Unless there is something specific you want to that is not possible in HP-UX 11iv1, wait until the next hardware upgrade and migrate then to HP-UX 11iv2 (or maybe v3 by then).
Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

i want to install IBM Tivoli Storage Manager
client on my server but the version of TSM 5.4 and it says hp-ux must be 11iV2
that's the reason...
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Geoff Wild
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2


What's in 11iv2?

It appears HP has changed the way we handle the kernel with this release. The core kernel is basically a frozen piece of code. Configurations are created that are applied at boot up or on the fly. Multiple configurations can exist at the same time. Many "tunables" are now dynamic, some even becoming more or less part of the kernel, so they do not need to be changed. The OS manages these parameters automatically. Some drivers can be added and removed on the fly, like CDFS file system. I expect V3 will add even more DLKM products.

Management of HP-UX is also changing. SAM functionality is reduced in this release as new web based tools are taking over these functions. It is expected that SAM will eventually be completely removed. kcweb is the tool used for tuning the kernel. pdweb manages periferal devices and SPB (software package builder). SCM or HP Systems Insight Manager becomes a major component of system administration. parmgr is the tool used for partition management. All have both GUI and command line interfaces.

Presently, when you boot a PA Risc system, you interact with the PDC, BCH and ISL. A new layered boot tool allows for standardization when booting different platforms. An EFI boot services layer sits on top of a SAL (system abstraction layer) which sits on top of a PAL (processor abstraction layer) which talks to the microcode.

Disk layout changes may not directly impact you, but are something you need to be aware of. Besides the LIF, ISL and HP-UX areas there is now a MBR (master boot record. not used), a Partition Table (duplicated at end of disk), an EFI partition and a HP Service Partition. The ISL is no longer used and is now part of the HP-UX area for compatibility reasons.

When you cold install a system, you can choose a security level. Bastille is part of the OS and is run at install time. There are 4 options you can choose from when you install. These are Security Tool Infrastructure installation only, Host-based lockdown, DMZ Manager lockdown or Full DMZ lockdown.

The customer class also covers n-Par information and commands.

Several library changes happening may be of interest to programmers and application administrators. New aC++ support libraries, enhanced math libraries and more.

CDE is being deprecated. It runs through the Aries PA compatibility application and will not be migrated to native mode IA.

Others: Compressed Crash Dump, IPv6, WBEM, OLAR improvements, MxN thread support, lazy loading, Adaptive Address Space (SAS) to ease porting to HP-UX. and more.


Rgds...Geoff
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Geoff Wild
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Why not go to 11iv3?

HP-UX 11i v3 is being positioned as the "next level" of virtualization and automation, providing enhancements to HP-UX 11i v2, which includes Virtual Server Environment partitioning that was a bit too static. (Virtual Server Environment includes nPar hardware partitions and vPar virtual partitions, which were ported from the PA-RISC Superdome platform to all Itanium-based Integrity servers with HP-UX 11i v2.) With 11i v3, provisioning of servers and partitions will be driven by policies, not human administrators with scripts, and systems and partitions will be more dynamic--meaning they can be changed without taking the system offline. Right now, in HP-UX 11i v2, moving a workload from one partition to another requires tweaking dozens of parameters and requires a reboot.

HP-UX 11iv3 will also have a substantially altered I/O subsystem, which has more dynamic multipathing capabilities. By carving up the I/O, that means as workloads move across processors, they can move in concert across the I/O subsystem, which has also been virtualized. And multipathing, which means giving data multiple paths into and out of I/O devices, is also useful for making systems more resilient.

Also important are changes that HP is making to decrease both planned and unplanned downtime on HP-UX systems. This may sound boring in the future press release, but it is exactly what the system administrators and IT managers who run HP-UX shops want to hear. (Exactly what HP is doing to accomplish this is unclear at this point.)

A lot of these changes are not simple, and they require big changes in the HP-UX kernel--which might explain why HP-UX 11i v3 was delayed for so long. "When you rearchitect your kernel, you get a chance to restructure it for short-term and long-term features," explains Lewandowski, and rather than rush HP-UX 11i v3 out the door, this is what the company has apparently done. Considering the high-end database and back office applications that HP-UX typically runs--unlike Solaris, HP-UX was not used very much for infrastructure workloads, where companies have redundancy in the network--HP's Unix customer base is probably just as happy to wait for all the kernel changes to be working well in concert.

On the security front, which HP was talking about in lieu of the 11i v3 launch at the end of December, HP has launched its promised encryption for disk volumes and file systems, naming it the Encrypted Volume and File System. This feature encrypts data before it actually ends up on the RAID arrays or Fibre Channel-based storage area networks; the encryption is done at the operating system level and, presumably, by the processor itself. EVFS works on HP-UX 11i v2 running on either PA-RISC or Itanium iron.

HP also launched a Trusted Computing on Integrity module for its entry Integrity 2660 server, which is a variant of the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) that is being deployed into ruggedized laptops and PCs. The TPM is a microcontroller module that stores passwords, digital cryptographic keys, and other information relating to the security of a PC in a way that is, in theory, unhackable. Eventually, according to Ron Luman, security architect for HP-UX, this feature will be shipping at the end of the month on this box, and will eventually be rolled out across the entry Integrity server line. (The future Windows Longhorn Server has a feature called BitLocker, which uses a TPM and works in a similar fashion, by the way.) Luman did not know if the TPM feature would be ported to HP's ProLiant server line, but this seems like an obvious thing to do.

HP-UX 11i v3 will run on both PA-RISC and Itanium servers from HP, according to Lewandowski. But she was not at liberty to say if the future HP-UX 11i v4 would support PA-RISC. HP wants to do a major HP-UX release every two to three years, which should mean that 11i v4 is expected in late 2008 to early 2009. The latest roadmap says "2009+" for the delivery date, which is not particularly useful. If 11i v4 comes out in 2009, that probably means 11i v4 will run on PA-RISC as well as Itanium. But HP-UX 11i v5, which could come out in anywhere from late 2010 to early 2012, might not run on PA-RISC, since that will be right around the 2011 support sunset date of the PA-RISC architecture. So HP-UX 11i v4 could be the end of the line for that older RISC architecture. "That's a bridge we will have to cross when we get there," says Lewandowski. "PA-RISC servers will be pervasive for some time, and we will study the v3 adoption rates on PA-RISC very closely."

More info:

http://h20338.www2.hp.com/hpux11i/cache/458092-0-0-0-121.html

How to migrate:

http://h20338.www2.hp.com/hpux11i/cache/535975-0-0-0-121.html

Rgds..Geoff
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Geoff Wild
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

I recently upgraded some 11.11 servers to 11.23, had no issues at all, here's my plan:

Pre-requisites Firmware updated and disk space available in vg00

Ensure vg00 has enough disk space

lvextend -L 4512 /dev/vg00/lvol4
fsadm -b 4512M /opt
lvextend -L 5120 /dev/vg00/lvol6
fsadm -b 5120M /usr
lvextend -L 5120 /dev/vg00/lvol7
fsadm -b 5120M /var

Increase /stand:

for lv in `vgdisplay -v /dev/vg00 | grep "LV Name" | awk '{print $3}'`
do
lvreduce -m 0 $lv /dev/dsk/c3t6d0
done
lvlnboot -b /dev/vg00/lvol1
lvlnboot -r /dev/vg00/lvol3
EXTENSION=512
vgdisplay -v /dev/vg00 | grep "LV Name" | awk '{print $3}' > /tmp/lvs.$$

wc -l /tmp/lvs.$$

lvextend -m 1 /dev/vg00/lvol1
lvcreate -L $EXTENSION -m 1 -n lvexttemp -s y /dev/vg00
for lv in `tail -9 /tmp/lvs.$$`
do
lvextend -m 1 $lv
done
lvlnboot -b /dev/vg00/lvol1
lvlnboot -r /dev/vg00/lvol3
vgdisplay -v vg00
lvdisplay -v /dev/vg00/lvol1
cd /tmp
mkdir 700 stand
cd /stand
find . -depth | cpio -pdm /tmp/stand/
cd /tmp
umount /stand
lvremove -f /dev/vg00/lvol1
for lv in `
for lv in `tail -9 /tmp/lvs.$$`
do
lvreduce -m 0 $lv /dev/dsk/c0t6d0
done

NEWSIZE=512
lvremove -f /dev/vg00/lvexttemp
lvcreate -l 1 -m 1 -r n -C y -s y -n lvol1 /dev/vg00
lvextend -L $NEWSIZE /dev/vg00/lvol1
newfs -Fhfs /dev/vg00/rlvol1
mount /stand
cd /tmp/stand
find . -depth | cpio -pdm /stand/
lvlnboot -b /dev/vg00/lvol1
lvlnboot -r /dev/vg00/lvol3
cd /tmp/
bdf |grep vg00
lvdisplay -v /dev/vg00/lvol1
for lv in `tail -9 /tmp/lvs.$$`
do
lvextend -m 1 $lv /dev/dsk/c0t6d0
done

Actual upgrade:

/sbin/init.d/nfs.client stop

Split vg00 Mirror

for lv in `vgdisplay -v /dev/vg00 | grep "LV Name" | awk '{print $3}'`
do
lvreduce -m 0 $lv /dev/dsk/c0t6d0
done

swinstall -s MYDEPOTSERVER:/var/software/hp/HP11iV2.Ent.Jun2007 Update-UX

/usr/sbin/update-ux -s MYDEPOTSERVER:/var/software/hp/HP11iV2.Ent.Jun2007 HPUX11i-OE-Ent

After reboot, apply latest patches:

swinstall -x autoreboot=true -x autoselect_patches=TRUE -x patch_match_target=TRUE -x patch_filter=*.* -s MYDEPOTSERVER:/var/software/hp/patch/11.23.pa.aug2007 \* @`uname -n`

Once happy, re-mirror vg00:

Re-mirror vg00
for lv in `vgdisplay -v /dev/vg00 | grep "LV Name" | awk '{print $3}'`
do
lvextend -m 1 $lv /dev/dsk/c0t6d0
done
lvlnboot -b /dev/vg00/lvol1
lvlnboot -r /dev/vg00/lvol3

Rgds...Geoff

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Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Thank's Geoff for your deep information but
my rp5430 server seems not supported on 11iv3
am i wrong?
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Ivan Krastev
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

Cem Tugrul
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Re: Diffrence hp-ux 11iv1 and 11iv2

got many useful thoughts...Thank's..
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