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Re: Doing some research here...

 
Jonathan Hatten
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Doing some research here...

And I had a couple of questions.

1. Is ignite only for loading identical boxes, or can it handle differences on a machine-by-machine basis? When we deploy our software, there are times when no two systems are the same, and I was wondering if Ignite would be able to handle that (preferably without having to make a seperate image/config for each different type of machine).

2. For a network install, the target system has to be on the same subnet. Are there any solidly reliable workarounds for this?
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Shannon Petry
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Re: Doing some research here...

Ignite is not a simple solution by any means. To simplay say that it can install OS's is like saying a car can get you to the store. Lots of adverbs and stuff missing there.

Ignite can create golden images of each machine, or each machine type. What I have dont with machine type images is setup a dummy machine, so that after ignite I can change the hostname/ip without messing anyone up on the network.
Ignite is also a network install server, meaning that it supports anything which is HP-UX (from B-Class to Superdome).

Ignite will require a complete set of OS CD's for every rev you run, patches, etc...

You can push or pull images from the ingite server/client giving extra controls.

Ignite even has nice GUI's for setting up DHCP/Bootp for ya.

Regards,
Shannon
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Santosh Nair_1
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Re: Doing some research here...

1. Ignite does many things, it has the option of making clones using an image, or you can do customized installed. We have an ignite server with all the software loaded on it and we do custom installs without creating seperate images.

2. You can set up a boot helper which will allow you to do installs across subnets. See the Ignite docs for more details.

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Tom Geudens
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Re: Doing some research here...

Hi,
1. If we are talking about a recovery situation, where speed is essential, using an Ignite backup of and N-server to install (the backup) L-server is ideal. Several of these combinations are possible and there are several threads about this on the forums. Always keep in mind that a kernel rebuild WILL happen and that other drivers MIGHT be necessary. If however we are talking about "cloning" systems (installing multiple servers from one system) I would go for a "golden image" (see Ignite manual) for each type of hardware.
2. As mentioned in a previous answer, the boothelper will take care of this. We've got this set up in our environment and it works like a boot.

Regards,
Tom

P.S. http://www.docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/B2355-90749/B2355-90749.html
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Hai Nguyen_1
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Re: Doing some research here...

1. Ignite can be used to recover a box from a crash. It can also be used to build/recover similar/identical boxes.

2. I believe that there is a "pull" feature which allows a network install on a machine in a different subnet.

Hai
Victor_5
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Re: Doing some research here...

A good manual for you:

http://www.docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/B2355-90749/B2355-90749.html

It can answer all of your questions. Enjoy!
Bill Hassell
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Re: Doing some research here...

The 'identical' boxes recommendation really means 'family' of computers. The way Ignite works is to backup vg00 plus create a bootable kernel, either for the tape or for a network backup. The issue with unlike families such as A/L/N class and a G30 or D270 is hardware, pure and simple. The disks are VERY different (Ultra FWD-LV versus FWD-HV and plain old SCSI-2), as well as the backplanes (the D-class may have EISA, the others do not, etc).

So if you put *every* driver and hardware support module into the kernel, along with all the correct patches (assuming you could build a kernel successfully) then the image would probably work. But each kernel would carry an awful lot of junk that would be unnecessary and run the risk of untested combinations of kernel modules trying to work/fit together.

So for a family of K-class boxes, you might create a 32-bit and a 64-bit Golden Image. Then, if you want optional LAN interfaces to work out of the box, you'll need to add Token Ring, Gigabit, maybe SNA and X.25, and so on. And then there are different disk: internal external, arrays, SCSI versus fibre. Now memory and processor count won't have an effect, but vg00's with very different disks will require hand-work to make a one-size-fits-all solution.

Now you see how important an inventory is for each machine. You can then develop a class of Ignite images as desired.

As mentioned, net_recovery is no problem at all as long as there is a boot helper on the same subnet *OR* just use any Ignite tape and make sure you get to the Selection menu--you've now loaded a memory-based kernel which can be configred to talk over a WAN to the Ignite server. All you need is to get a boot kernel into memory and then choose the server.


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
Judy Traynor
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Re: Doing some research here...

I use ignite for HP 10.20, 11.00 different patch levels, compilers, etc. I have about 5 basic core images,since a disk lvm layout I might use for an HP 11 will not fit on a 712. I find it easier to use the ignite images that are pre-made, but sometimes I will use a generic, and then add software with the post install, or via a swinstall script that calls a saved script file with the -S.

As far as different subnets are concerned, it works fine, as long as your ignite client can get an ip address, you can ignite it over a different subnet.

Ignite is very flexible, powerful, and reliable. It has not failed me yet! (Now thats a testimonial) As a matter of fact, we use it to rebuild images, in the case of corrupt disks. (when you re-ignite, the disks are reformatted via LVM) so bad sectors are re-marked.

You can use ignite to burn an image from a cd, and it is highly customizable via the scripts. The hardest part is getting started
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John Bolene
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Re: Doing some research here...

You say deploy your software:

Ignite is mainly for making new machines from images of similar hardware machines and backup and recovery of existing machines if a disk drive dies.

Deploying software is normally done with software distributor, not ignite.
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