HFS Deprecated - What about /stand ?

[Tom Dawson]

I'm getting ready to do the first install of 11.23 on a rp34x0 server. In the "Read Before Installing or Updating HP-UX 11i v2" booklet ( May 2005 ), it says that HFS is "now deprecated and planned for future obsolescence".

It has been my understanding that /stand had to be the first partition on the disk and had to be a HFS file system because that's what the kernel could understand.

Can/Should I now use VxFS for the /stand file system?

It appears that HP is now including more of the Solaris-type Veritas Volume Manager. Is this going to replace LVM eventually? Does SAM support the Veritas Volume Manager?

Thanks,
Tom

[Duncan Edmonstone]

Tom,

Q: Can/Should I now use VxFS for the /stand file system?

A: Yes, you *have* to use vxfs for /stand on 11.23

Q: It appears that HP is now including more of the Solaris-type Veritas Volume Manager. Is this going to replace LVM eventually? Does SAM support the Veritas Volume Manager?

A: No VxVm will not replace LVM - it is simply an alternative. You can't manage VxVM through SAM, but VxVM has its own management GUI (I think called VEA - Veritas Enterprise Adminsitrator which can be run either on the server, or you can download a windows client and run it from your PC)

HTH

Duncan

[Ken Grabowski]

The HP Education classes indicate that on 11.23 stand can/should be vxfs. However, I've never actually installed it that way. I have an rp3440 with the factory ignited 11.23 on Pa-Risc, and stand is HFS!

I'd suggest making a practice run first. I don't think the manual installation scripts default to VxFS for stand, so you need to go into the file system setup and change it.

If you're not that adventurous, then just go with the default, which I think is still HFS.

[Ken Grabowski]

Hi, just saw Duncan's reply. It is a have to. I've installed numerous 11iv2 systems with stand without problem. As I said before, the factory install came with HFS for stand.

Re Veritas, the current 11iv1 and v2 include "Base VERITAS Volume Manager 3.5 for HP-UX" as part of the OS, and used in the LVM. You can see the packages that are included by running "swlist -l product | grep -i VRTS" at the command line. There are rumors that more of the product will be included in the next version of 11i. Not sure how much of that is true.

[Tom Dawson]

Duncan, Ken,

Thanks for the replies. I'll hold off on points to keep the Bunny off the thread.

I'm currently running the install. I'll probably do 2 or 3 ( 7 or 8 ? ) to test what happens. I noticed that if I choose "VxFS" for /stand, the install program automatically changed the device from vg00 to rootdg for all the file systems. "Rootdg" is from Veritas Volume Manager.

When this install completes, I'll probably turn around and do it again with different options.

Thanks,
Tom

[Duncan Edmonstone]

ook - maybe I'm wrong here - I'm ready to be shot down in flames! Let me do some checking...

Duncan

[Tom Dawson]

Well, I tried intall with /stand set to VxFS and got this error:

ERROR: The boot volume ("/stand") must be an HFS file
system. Please switch to the HFS usage for the boot volume.

So I'm going through it again with /stand set to be HFS. So far, the install process seems to like that.

Thanks for your help folks!

Tom

[Tom Dawson]

It appears the HP-UX install will not allow anything other than HFS for /stand at this time.

I'm installing 11.23 on an rp3440.

[Robert-Jan Goossens_1]

I think if you choose VXFS for stand, you will end up with a Veritas rootdg (not shure BTW) there is nothing wrong with a HFS /stand FS, the only trouble you can get in to is if you would like to extend this FS, you will need an ignite tape/restore

Regards,
Robert-Jan

[Ted Buis]

I would not expect LVM to go away in 11i v3, but on the contrary, I would expect some enhancements. Even if using VxFS for /stand now requires VxVM, it doesn't meant that this will always be the case. If that changes in some future HP-UX release, I don't see much of a need for hfs, do you? I certainly lost interest in hfs a long time ago, and I think most people since 11.0 are using VxFS.