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06-20-2002 10:24 AM
06-20-2002 10:24 AM
Solved! Go to Solution.
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Re: Predictive end of life
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06-20-2002 10:53 AM
06-20-2002 10:53 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
The only viable server to monitor a HP-UX server is a HP-UX server.
Windows is not an OPERATING system, and should be investigated under the sale of goods act (UK) in that it does not do what is says on the tin.
Paula
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06-20-2002 10:54 AM
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Re: Predictive end of life
I got quite a chuckle out of that.
Thanks
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06-20-2002 10:55 AM
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Re: Predictive end of life
I'm still with you Martha, just running out of ways to say you're absolutely right.
;^)
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06-20-2002 10:57 AM
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06-20-2002 11:06 AM
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Re: Predictive end of life
Sorry, I should have done that for you if I was going to refer to it:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/QuestionAnswer/1,,0x79b03a7b3682d611abdb0090277a778c,00.html
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06-20-2002 11:10 AM
06-20-2002 11:10 AM
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As far as I am concerned, this is a strike against HP. If I need to buy a new server, and all other things being equal, I would not buy HP.
Marty
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06-20-2002 11:16 AM
06-20-2002 11:16 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
HP, are you listening? We HP-UX administrators want to stay with HP-UX, and not be forced to incorporate other operating systems, least of which would be windows.
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06-20-2002 11:50 AM
06-20-2002 11:50 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
I think you bring up a very valid point as to Predictive support being replaced by this new ISEE product, which only runs on Windows 2000. Most of the HP-UX shops that I've been in and out of run HP-UX on HP9000 hardware for a good reasons, such as performance and stability. So in turn you would wonder why HP would force you to utilize this "service" on a Microsoft platform? When it appears that it's primary purpose is to "prevent potential critical problems", wouldn't you want it to run on an operating system and hardware that your company feels provides that type of stability in the first place?
While most of the companies that I have worked for have both MS and HP in the same datacenter, I think this type statement in the FAQ poses a bit of a problem:
"A Windows 2000 Server is required. This is the only qualified platform that HP plans to support."
http://www.hp.com/hps/briefs/customerfaqs.pdf
Is HP going to help you cover the additional hardware and licensing costs for this new Windows 2000 server? I think not. :-)
-Mike
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06-20-2002 08:58 PM
06-20-2002 08:58 PM
Re: Predictive end of life
How can they demand us to introduce another machine into our own network, and on top of that, it's a windows machine.
I don't know about you guys, but I am _not_ a windows admin, I don't use it, I don't have it. And i surely don't know how to administer such a machine properly.
My greatest fear will not be the stability issue of this 'server', but _security_ wise. remember that this machine can also be used as some kind of 'gateway' to your whole HPUX environment. Does anybody here know how to secure a NT box? and even more important, to keep it secure? I sure don't.
Just for the sake of analogy, SUN has about the same service for their customers like the HP ISEE, but I don't see them using some half-baked windows creation.
(this is not the first time I am this pissed about HP doing this. as far as i know (and as they told me) VantagePoint Reporter is also windows only. Result: i'll make my own 'reporter' web/perl interface. And last but not least - omniback, which is available on hpux, BUT they had to make it look like the NT version, result - a gui that is slow crashes and everybody complaining about it.)
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06-20-2002 09:49 PM
06-20-2002 09:49 PM
Re: Predictive end of life
In two weeks time, HP will be coming down to my company to perform a presentation on ISEE and its benefits.
One advantage is that it gets rid of the dedicated phone line and modem.
We will probably be testing it out on a test server to verify whether it is sufficiently secure and robust for our needs.
If I still remember this thread then, I will post up the findings.
Hope this helps. Regards.
Steven Sim Kok Leong
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06-21-2002 02:19 AM
06-21-2002 02:19 AM
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06-21-2002 03:16 AM
06-21-2002 03:16 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
Small enterprise does not require the SPOP at the customer site (so no Micro$oft incursion) but is apparently designed for environments with a smaller number of supported servers and mid-range storage devices. If I guess rightly then this edition will therefore be closer to the existing predict methodology of monitoring so all we have to do is insist on installing small enterprise configurations even on big sites. If no one takes up the data center configuration then perhaps HP will notice.
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07-18-2002 08:45 AM
07-18-2002 08:45 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
Document ID: HPSBUX0207-201
Date Loaded: 20020717
Title: Sec. Vulnerability in ISEE on HP-UX
------------------------------------------------------------------------
HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY SECURITY ADVISORY: #0201,
Originally issued: 18 July 2002
PROBLEM: HP Instant Support Enterprise Edition (ISEE) has the potential
of allowing authenticated users access to restriced files.
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07-18-2002 08:55 AM
07-18-2002 08:55 AM
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http://www.hp.com/hps/tech/resources/elect/isee_products.htm
Cheryl
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07-18-2002 11:05 AM
07-18-2002 11:05 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
I have yet to see this product or hear tons about it, but I'm under the impression that it a) wants a connection through our (and HP's!) firewall, and b) will run a web server on the host. Neither are acceptable to me.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
--Misa
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07-18-2002 11:13 AM
07-18-2002 11:13 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
Thank you for taking the time to carry our concerns to the relevant parties. I have been complaining to our CE, but he doesn't have any influence or route to the decision makers. I hope that HP gets the message that many of us choose to be unix administrators without having to baby-sit the windows platforms. It just seems counter intuitive to say that our unix server's hardware needs to be managed by a windows server...one that is accessable via the internet at that!
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07-20-2002 06:09 AM
07-20-2002 06:09 AM
Re: Predictive end of life
Now, as far as how well it works, I do not know. I have not had time to look at it and see. Hopefully I will have time before HP World...
That it is on a Win2000 server is not that big of a deal for me, but I do not see why they couldn't port to HPUX... Pete is right. Everyone who is concerned about it and is going to HP World should bring it up to everyone they talk to about it. (And especially at the roundtables. Sometimes it can be like a mob mentallity in there, when everyone gets fired up about something. People tend to listen then...)
Hope it helps
John