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Mike Roger
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Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???


How safe, if it's ok to remove a SCSI DLT drive from a running HPUX system? The DLT is connected via a scsi cable to rp7400 system.

If it's safe what is the best way to do it? Is it switch off the DLT and remove the cable or just remove the cable. Will not this action hang up the bus or might blow fuses on controller?

Cheers,
Mike
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T G Manikandan
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Do not do that.
Plan a downtime for the server for disconnecting the DLT from the server.

That device is not hot pluggable.The best way would be to bring down the server and then disconnect the drive.
Robert-Jan Goossens
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Mike,

If there is nothing else on the SCSI bus, power down the drive and remove it. This is NOT a recommended action by HP, but I've done it quit a few times. The worsed I've seen is a SCSI reset recorded by the OS.

Hope this helps,
Robert-Jan
Johan Lorimier
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Hi,

trully HP will say it is not recommended, but if your drive is alone on the bus you can do it quietly. Power off the drive an then remove the cable. I have done it several times on HP9000 and alpha with just one incident (the internals drives were sharing the same SCSI bus with the DLT :-( ).

Johan
Mike Roger
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???


Thanks for your time guys,

I'm getting two different answers so far, I need to hear more.

Donâ t do it : 1 TG
Do it quietly : 2 Johan & Robert

What dose HP says here? I need more details and what if the system was rp8400 and the cable is connected directly to the core I/O?

Later,
M
Naveej.K.A
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

hi Mike,

Even though its not the recomended way to do so, I personally have done the same thing so many times. Switch off the DLT... and remove the scsi cable..

now in the case if you are connecting to the core i/o bus, there could be some other devices which are connected in the same bus and removing the device could result in a system hang becuase of scsi reset....this type of removal doesn't produce the same results always...but a bit risky if it is on the core I/O.

It could have the same impact on 8400 also...

with best wishes
Naveej
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Pete Randall
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Mike,

As long as you can be reasonably sure that there is no activity occuring on the SCSI channel, you should be able to remove the drive without any problem. I've got five of them on my backup server and swap failed ones in and out quite frequently.


Pete

Pete
harry d brown jr
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

I've done this hundreds of times without a crash:

(1) power off drive
(2) get a terminator
(3) pull cable (on system)
(4) insert terminator (on system)

You have roughly 10 seconds before a SCSI timeout, so make it quick!

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harry
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Mike Roger
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???


Thanks again,

Harry, don't you think that the new LVD SCSI cards that comes with the rp systems are self terminated?

Cheers,
Mike
harry d brown jr
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Mike,

They are, but I usually terminate them anyway because I think it stops ioscans from searching the bus for devices that aren't there, but I could be wrong :-)

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harry
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A. Clay Stephenson
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

I replaced tens of SCSI tape drives over the years without powering down and have never had a blown card. I would be reluctant to do it on a busy bus (e.g. if your DLT were on the same bus as active disk drives but since these drives are supposed to be on a dedicated bus that shouldn't be a problem). I would power down the external drive and if this is the only device on the bus, I wouldn't bother to terminate it. Opening the bus will immediately trigger a SCSI bus reset but this is considered a normal (if unusual) SCSI event and the underlying protocol is designed to handle it.

The "safe" answer is , of course, power down all components but the "real world" answer is that that would make long uptimes very difficult. Your point about the controller being self-terminating misses the mark. The controller can supply one termination but the bus requires exactly two terminations but if there is nothing else on the bus, it really doesn't matter. As part of the replacement routine, you should do an ioscan anyway to make sure that the new device is "visible".

Operations like this really point out the importance of having a "sandbox" so that you could try out your questionable procedures without risk of clobbering something important.
If it ain't broke, I can fix that.
Sanjay_6
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Hi Mike,

I would not suggest you to remove the drive online. You can probably do this without affecting the system, but if in case a scsi reset goes into the bus then you'll be left with a hung system.

However if the drive is a hot plug one, you can remove it. We have some hot pluggable DLTs that we have removed without any problem. Just power it off and plus it out. Replace with a new one, wait for a few seconds and power it on.

Hope this helps.

Regds
Mike Roger
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

Thanks to all for the valuable replies were it shows lots of experience
Ted Buis
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

You should mention if the tape drive is connected to a core I/O SCSI connector or a PCI card in the card cage of the rp7400, and whether you are running HP-UX 11.0 or 11i. Go to www.docs.hp.com and search on OLAR if you have the drive connected to a PCI card as opposed to the core I/O.
Mom 6
Ameet_HP
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Re: Removing a SCSI DLT drive on line ???

I have done it too many times. DLT Drives are having seprate Power connection. Without stopping backup or powering off DLT Library, we have replaced failed drives or tape stuck drives etc. Also, this all work is done by HP itself. From business side, I will say, it does not cause anything to backup or DLT Tape Library.

Thanks,
Ameet