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02-22-2011 11:53 AM
02-22-2011 11:53 AM
I have heard that most places like to run at a 30% to 45% Processor utility rate, as prescribed by using top and taking the inverse of the idle value.
For the past 12 months, as well as the last peak volume, we have been averaging a utility of 21% of our processors. With this being said, it is my belief that we actually have more than the cost effective need of processors.
I am unable to locate any standards, white papers or “best practices” or the like to support my beliefs.
TIA,
- Rob
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02-22-2011 12:16 PM
02-22-2011 12:16 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
Do you have any peak periods that require more processing power? Month-end processing? Billing cycles? If not, I would tend to agree that you have more than enough, but I surely wouldn't worry about it.
It's also possible that your upcoming upgrades may require more resources so keep that in mind.
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02-22-2011 12:22 PM
02-22-2011 12:22 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
I have upgraded our RX6600 HPUX and 11R2 showing an increase of 4%+/- on the processors.
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02-22-2011 12:24 PM
02-22-2011 12:24 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
Not everything requires a written document. Best practice is sometimes what's best for your shop. Looks to me like your place has plenty of resources. You're running the box, just monitor your boxes and trust yourself.
Kindest regards,
Rita
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02-22-2011 12:28 PM
02-22-2011 12:28 PM
SolutionWell, guess that one comes down to - which is cheaper, spending time for some programmers who didn't write it right the first time to find their garbage and fix it -or- buy some hardware just to address that 10% of the time peak load.
I call that a management decision.
Rgrds,
Rita
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02-22-2011 12:47 PM
02-22-2011 12:47 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/GetPDF.aspx/4AA2-4194ENW.pdf
HTH
Duncan
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02-22-2011 12:54 PM
02-22-2011 12:54 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
The math behind this is quite complex (for a simpleton like me at least), but if it interests you (it doesn't me to be honest) a google seach on:
cpu utilization queueing theory
will turn up some interesting material to peruse.
HTH
Duncan
I am an HPE Employee

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02-22-2011 01:36 PM
02-22-2011 01:36 PM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
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02-22-2011 11:38 PM - last edited on 09-02-2011 07:57 AM by Kevin_Paul
02-22-2011 11:38 PM - last edited on 09-02-2011 07:57 AM by Kevin_Paul
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
Hi,
just to add something.
avarege is not really important. you should look at what you need in production times. for example, if you run java program 2 or 3 times in a month, and cpu load gets high and process does not completed in period you expect, you need more cpu resource. or you run a service that servers custemers between 08:00-18:00, you should avarege between these times.
cpu load metric should be taken into. if it's below or about 1, it's ok. there is a correlation betwee them but as mentioned it's mathematical and i couldn't steen understand. i had started a thread about this:
http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/General/cpu-load-and-utilization-correlation/m-p/4695729#M146668
generally there is a blief that over %60 utulization cpu load increases etc. but it changes.
after all if your resources are still high, and you want to do something, you can think about partitioning technologies.
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02-23-2011 03:39 AM
02-23-2011 03:39 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
Duncan - Some of the documents provided by your suggestion will be good to present to management.
Kenan - The standard range of utility on a monthly basis is 10% to 48%, not using the month with a week of heavy load.
Rita - Your last thought is where I have been going.
Jose - Thank you for the direction.
Thank you all for your help!!!
Rob
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02-23-2011 04:40 AM
02-23-2011 04:40 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
I'm with him. What, exactly, does the
average tell you? What, exactly, matters?
If all your work gets done soon enough, then
why worry about adding hardware? If some of
your work does not get done soon enough, then
you have a problem to solve. (Possible
solutions include faster hardware or faster
software, but also things like more efficient
job scheduling, or a revised definition of
"soon enough".)
If you plan to increase the workload, and
you're currently consuming close to 100% of
some (any) resource (at some time), then you
can reasonably anticipate some trouble.
> This is definitely a "it depends" question.
I'm with him, too.
> [...] we actually have more than the cost
> effective need of processors.
What, exactly, does that mean, in English?
You have more processors than you think you
need?
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02-23-2011 04:44 AM
02-23-2011 04:44 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
My thought is to size the system for 85% to 90% of the ussage and not size a system for 10% to 15% of the time.
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02-23-2011 06:21 AM
02-23-2011 06:21 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
IF the 5 to 15 % of the time that the system gets to peak system Load is important for the business/client - then size FAT. Buy/size your system with enough resources to meet that 10 to 15 per cent peak requirements. Management and its bean counters should be smart enough to tell if say billing and MASS jobs (most typical enterprise peak periods) merit the splurge on IT Systems.
IF the 5 to 15 % is not that really important and your SLA is flexible - then size LEAN.
So you see it all depends.
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02-23-2011 06:33 AM
02-23-2011 06:33 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
We have been in the same predicament for over 7 years now. Our systems are widely varying - with onlines generally light but unpredictable and batch and month ends generally heavy. The dilemma back then was whether to buy small or mid sized systems or go with the big Domes and implement a scheme where resources - mostly CPU can be allocated on demand and on the fly - aka vPars.
It was the BEST solution. We have had agile systems and I think saved a TON of money going this route with systems readily (on the fly or with a short downtime) reconfigurable to address varying workloads. So No wastage of CPU resources. Looking back at my system historicals -- we've been able to utilize up to 80% of CPU resources on average.
In your case - you can likely do the same. HP's partitioning continuum is the best out there for UNIX systems. You can do vPars, IVMs, Psets, WLM groups, etc.
Now that we are almost through with our UNIX-away project and on Linux -- the choices for higher CPU utilisation whilst having an agile system are endless. There's HA/Virtualization using KVM or vSPhere so we truly now have higher agility and efficiency in using system resources whilst lowering costs.
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02-25-2011 06:44 AM
02-25-2011 06:44 AM
Re: Searcing for Processor "best practices"
Well, guess that one comes down to - which is cheaper, spending time for some programmers who didn't write it right the first time to find their garbage and fix it -or- buy some hardware just to address that 10% of the time peak load.
IF the 5 to 15 % of the time that the system gets to peak system Load is important for the business/client - then size FAT. Buy/size your system with enough resources to meet that 10 to 15 per cent peak requirements. Management and its bean counters should be smart enough to tell if say billing and MASS jobs (most typical enterprise peak periods) merit the splurge on IT Systems.