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John Collier
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

Bounce!
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Norman_21
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

pingggg!
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John Bolene
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Zafar A. Mohammed_1
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

I totally agree with XMAN. Everyone is investing their time for those helps and to just assigning points doesn't cost $. I also urged if their problem is solved then please place to "Magical answer", with this who search into forum can better know that it is a perfect solution.


Thanks
Zafar
Steven E. Protter
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

I'm with Xman here.

My Microsoft Knowledge is quite limited, but what I know I know. I have found the "payback" on time spent in the Microsoft forums has not been commensurate with the effort.

When faced with a choice of where to spend my time its going to be where I get the pats on the back.

The best way to get quality help fast is to assign something to every reply. Take a look at my profile.

Take a look at how long it takes me to get an answer anywhere I post. Everyone knows I point every post, even jokes.

So assigning points is a good way to get faster answers and be more effective in getting help.

SEP
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Richard Caputo
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XMAN

I have been using these forums for about a year now and have just started to contribute due to the fact that my knowledge of the products I work with have reached a level that may be useful to others. The excuse that others may not know how to contribute is bull...If you know how to post you know how to rate. I now check a users rating before bothering to answer any question to see how well they assign points. If it is very low, I dont bother.

Another issue is that with many of my questions, there have been sub questions added so that they appear under my original. I would like others to show consideration to post their own questions so as not to hurt my rating when these issues have nothing to do with my own and I dont rate them.

Just my .02

Roger Faucher
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XMAN:

The issues Richard presents are right on. I have often been annoyed by those very issues. I love it when people post to an existing thread that they have the 'exact same' problem (they have a different computer running a different OS, however). Maybe you should take all the posts in this thread and develop a list of 'pet peeves' and give the list to Dan. That might be more manageable for him to present to his management as ideas for change/improvement.

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
John Collier
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

Ping!

I think it's about time to bring this back to everyone's attention again.

Hope you don't mind, XMAN. It just seems tim efor a refresher course...
"I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good, therefore, that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again." Stephen Krebbet, 1793-1855
Roger Faucher
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Good idea, John:

Perhaps people ought to consider commenting on the recent forum changes. I for one like them (once they got the quirks cleared up - we all really liked that pressing Enter no longer gave us a new line).

There are many new people coming to the forums who don't know squat about the existence of the point system or how to assign points. I think the point system works better than it ever has and is actually fairly intuitive. The one thing I would change is I would force a refresh of the screen after points assignment so people are not confused when they don't see the points they just assigned.

I've heard several people express disdain that the point system exists. I, for one, think it is essential. If it were discontinued, I'm confident I would no longer participate (No amateur psychoanalysis requested). Obviously, individuals have the right to not participate in the point system. I do occasionally check to see the 'track records' of people seeking help and opt not to help them if they exhibit a history of not assigning points.

I guess what I'm saying is the point system is important and newbies should be reminded to acquaint themselves with the forum rules/point system (perhaps each time they login for the first n logins).

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Norman_21
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Thanks John C, for bringing this thread back to live!!!
I agree with ya guys, alot of changes as well as enhancements have been done in the ITRC Forums to make things interesting!!!
Users must understand that assigning points will give them a faster support replies!

"Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching"/ My first point was given by SEP on January 31, 2003
Denver Osborn
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It would be nice if more people would take the time to assign points. Unfortunately alot of the unassigned posts come from pc users who wander across the forums from a search engine. The sign up and post hoping to get their quick fix... once they read the fix they're gone from the forums until they need another fix.

maybe they should set a flag that prevents someone from being able to "submit" new posts if they haven't assigned points (or 0 pts) to approx 50% of their questions.... or atleast have an annoying pop-up that reminds them they have posts with unasigned points and links to their recent unassigned posts when they click submit.

just my $.02 ;)

-denver
Roger Faucher
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How about this.

Every time someone logs in to ITRC, they see an opening screen showing how many replies they've assigned points to out of _____. From that screen, there could be links to Point Assignment Procedures and Proceed to Forums.

Yeah, I like it.

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Norman_21
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Excellent Tips guys!
I hope DAN( the ITRC manager will join us soon)
Glad to see you here Denver! I always enjoyed reading your posts at the HP-UX side!
The same goes with Roger in the M$ side.
"Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching"/ My first point was given by SEP on January 31, 2003
John Strang
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Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

What I find more frustrating than not getting points is not knowing if the advice I've given has helped.
I don't have as much opportunity to visit the forum as much as I used to (so my point increase is very slow) but when I do post it would be nice to know the outcome of the problem.

Just my £0.02

Jo
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Jerome Henry
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Hihihi good idea !
Another one was to set up hats for non assigners too ! A kind of non assignment score... that would allow them to realise that assigning is the way it should work. Why not a broom... Some users do know ho to assign, have time to ask but not time to assign... :]]
You can lean only on what resists you...
Antoniov.
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I agree with Roger's hint.
After any answer it's frustating inquire points; this happens principally in M$ forum. In VMS I answered less thread than M$ but I have about same point. In Unix, that is that biggest and ancient group allbodies assign points.
I think this happen because M$ forum is reached by occasional people and they don't feel the forum environment.
Also I think when author assign 8-10 pts, the thread could be closed and unchangeble.

Bye
Antoniov
Antonio Maria Vigliotti
John Collier
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Somehow I knew it was about time for this sleeping beast to be awakened. It seems like there has been a lot of time for new people to see just how the point system is useful here.

So many people think of it as only a way to feed someone's vanity by giving them a different hat. OK, I admit that I like the hats and I also have to admit that I am rather vain in some ways, but it is also an invaluable feedback tool not only for the people that submit answers (like John S. and others) but also for the people that take the time to actually try searching for answers prior to opening a new thread.

When I search for answers, I always try to find one with a bunny because then I can be more confident that an answer to my problem may actually lie within that thread.

Jerome,

You and I both know that assigning points can take as little as 30 seconds (or less if you are fast with a mouse!). I can't believe that they don't have time to assign any more than you do.

Antoniov,

I can't say that I will agree with the idea of closing a thread after a bunny has been awarded simply because there is almost always more than one way to do something. If you close it off to change after the first rabbit, then you stand a chance of missing some more great information. What I might suggest instead is a closing of point assignment after the original author is satisfied that they have all of the answers they want. That would keep the point-hunters from trying to hit a thread simply for the points, but wouldn't keep an honest person from contributing something that they felt was important.

Of course, you bring up yet another good point about the differences between this part of the forums and the HP-UX (and the Linux section is quickly becoming much like the HP-UX group. GOOD JOB!!) section. There is a different mind set all the way around.

It seems to me that the *NIX people are more used to having to figure things out and both get and receive help from others. It has always been that way and it most likely always will be. Very little, if anything, is ever just handed to them on a silver platter. They need to work for it if they want it to be better.

M$ Windoze has been geared more to the instant-gratification groups and the less computer savvy people of the world. It always asks if you are sure you want to do something, will keep you from doing some of the more stupid things, and is pretty much designed for the home user, not the computer professional. This doesn't mean that there aren't some very professional M$ Admins and users out there, but they are the exception, not the rule. They seem to be easy to spot in the forum. Just look for the Hats and the high point assignment ratios!!

I'm encouraged by what I have seen in the Linux forums. That place used to be every bit as bad as this part of the forums in reference to overall point assignment. Now, if you go there you will see bunnies all over the place!

I'm sure that this part of the forum can be turned around as well, but we have to keep the effort up. Nobody will do it for us and the forumers that don't read this thread will never learn without some education from those who understand and care.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I leave you with this thought:
If we want it to change, then it's up to us to make it happen. At the risk of irritating some and gaining the reputation of being point-hungry SOBs, we have to keep reminding people about the point system and the benefits.

This reminding and education should be approached in a civil manner and as politely as possible, but it MUST be done if we are ever going to see it change in this section of the forums.

The choice is yours...


Regards,
John
"I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good, therefore, that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any human being, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again." Stephen Krebbet, 1793-1855
Antoniov.
Honored Contributor

Re: Questions Authors and Points Assignments

John,
reward based forum pick the vanity of people; we can limit this in some way so forum can help us for technical questions and to kwnow world people.
Your idea to disable submition points is better than my one I agree, it's better leave opened any thread if it's not more possible assign points after bunny.
Obviously this may made only by HP (I hope Dan read this thread).
I don't know Linux people but I think is same in OpenVMS group that is new (only since May 2003) where they are a lot of questions solved. I meet this forum by vms and in this group I solved my questions and I help other to solved them.
In M$ there is a big chaos; yes, Windoze user are not professional so any information can be useful to them.
Are you avaiable in propose to Dan stop assignment points after Bunny?

Bye
Antoniov
Antonio Maria Vigliotti
Bruno Ganino
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Hi guys, i have write my position for this argument many times.
Dears users, I think that the allocation of the points is a way in order to reward the efforts of who tries to give an help. The thing more important is to find a solution to the problem, but the system of the points incite all to strain itself always more.

Regards
Bruno
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