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08-08-2007 02:12 AM
08-08-2007 02:12 AM
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Solved! Go to Solution.
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08-08-2007 02:24 AM
08-08-2007 02:24 AM
Re: Booting from CD
and do it the easy way?
> It is asking [...]
Who is asking when?
At the SRM console (">>>") prompt, try SHOW
DEVICE, and see if you can spot the CD-ROM
drive. ("[A]n Alpha" is not very specific.)
Then "BOOT DKA400", or whatever the CD-ROM
drive device name seems to be.
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08-08-2007 02:29 AM
08-08-2007 02:29 AM
SolutionFirst of all, welcome to the ITRC OpenVMS Forum
I think, your machine did not run ot of memory, but the Systemdisk may be full.
If the system is stil running, then you should be able to delete logfiles on the systemdisk. There are several possibilities, depending on how much you need the Logfiles.
If you know exactly which file you want to delete then do it by
$ delete sys$sysdevice:[directory.subdirectory]file.log;*
You could also use Purge, to delete older Versions of Logfiles.
$ PURGE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000...]*.log
If you need the older Versions of the logfiles, you could also move them to another disk
$ BACKUP/DELETE sys$sysdevice:[000000...]*.log/Excl=*.log;0 new_device:[directory]logfiles.bck/sav
Sometimes its a File like OPERATOR.LOG which fills up the systemdisk. Then you should first get some free space on the systemdisk and then you should see what's filling up the Operator logfile. (REPL/ENABLE to see the new messages), (REPL/LOG to crreate a new Version of operator.log, but this needs free space on the systemdisk)
To answer your original question:
In Console Mode do a SHOW DEVICE and identify your CD-ROM
Then boot the CD for examples with
b 'cd-rom'
Finnaly you will see a menu on your screen and there is the possibility to 'execute a DCL command'. If you select 'execute a DCL Command' then you will get the $ prompt and you can delete unwanted logfiles.
hope that gives some input to you
regards
geni
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08-08-2007 02:32 AM
08-08-2007 02:32 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Message from user SYSTEM on DEP100
QMAN-I-NODISKSPACE, Disc space not available for qeue manager to continue.
Message from user SYSTEM on DEP100
QMAN-E-FREEDISK, Free up 210 blocks on disk _DEP100$DKA0
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08-08-2007 02:37 AM
08-08-2007 02:37 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Let me join Geni in wlcoming you.
Geni gave a pretty complete advise.
Just one thing to add
>>>
Finnaly you will see a menu on your screen and there is the possibility to 'execute a DCL command'. If you select 'execute a DCL Command' then you will get the $ prompt and you can delete unwanted logfiles.
<<<
After you go into "Execute DCL" mode, _NO_ devices ae mounted yet.
You will need to identify your system disk, and mount it, before you can access it.
Also, now it is the CD-rom that acts as your system disk, so, you will need to address your normal system disk through its hardware name.
hth
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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08-08-2007 02:41 AM
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Re: Booting from CD
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08-08-2007 02:46 AM
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Re: Booting from CD
press ctrl
on the console or press the restart button. If your systems auto_action is boot, then you need to press ctrl
after the console has initialized until you get the >>> prompt
regards
Geni
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08-08-2007 05:37 AM
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Re: Booting from CD
Thank you
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08-08-2007 06:06 AM
08-08-2007 06:06 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Volker.
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08-08-2007 11:59 PM
08-08-2007 11:59 PM
Re: Booting from CD
The second point is that if DKA0 is a member of a shadowset, then Volker's command will be insufficient since the drive will be "write-locked" when it mounts. You will need to
$ mount/over=(ID,shad) DKA0:
Using a different approach, it seems to me that you should be able to boot "MIN" and purge the drive. This would avoid any issues related to modifying a shadow set unit.
Dave.
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08-09-2007 02:18 AM
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Re: Booting from CD
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08-09-2007 02:25 AM
08-09-2007 02:25 AM
Re: Booting from CD
>>> show boot_osflags
will give r,n
>>> B r,1
SYSBOOT> set startup_p1 "MIN"
SYSBOOT> C
login and purge the system disk
To reset the system for a full boot:
$ MC SYSGEN
SYSGEN> USE CURRENT
SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 ""
SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT
SYSGEN> exit
Reboot
Volker.
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08-09-2007 03:05 AM
08-09-2007 03:05 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Shutdown and/or halt the system. Use ^P or BREAK, depending on the box.
Boot conversationally and minimally, setting STARTUP_P1 to "MIN" and SET/STARTUP=OPA0: and then set WRITESYSPARAMS to 0 at the SYSBOOT prompt.
PURGE or DELETE as appropriate.
Reboot.
Off you go.
Details:
http://64.223.189.234/node/204
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08-09-2007 03:44 AM
08-09-2007 03:44 AM
Re: Booting from CD
I tried the boot_osflags.
It returned just 0??
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08-09-2007 03:55 AM
08-09-2007 03:55 AM
Re: Booting from CD
>>>
I tried the boot_osflags.
It returned just 0??
<<<
So it is not set. Defaults to 0,0
To boot conversational, boot
>>>b -fl 0,1
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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08-09-2007 03:57 AM
08-09-2007 03:57 AM
Re: Booting from CD
I did the b -flags 0,1
and then it started to boot and still said that there was not enough memory to continue
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08-09-2007 04:29 AM
08-09-2007 04:29 AM
Re: Booting from CD
please provide the full error messages and the commands you've entered. This will make troubleshooting much simpler...
Volker.
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08-09-2007 04:33 AM
08-09-2007 04:33 AM
Re: Booting from CD
I did the b -flags 0,1
and then it started to boot and still said that there was not enough memory to continue
<<<
What commands did you enter at SYSBOOT (the ones I cited or the ones Volker mentioned?), and what is the text of the error that you received from the bootstrap?
"not enough memory to continue" is not an error text typical of the bootstrap itself, and there are a number of errors with slightly different wording that could be the trigger here. Having the exact text seems a little fussy, but it really helps figure out the particular memory constraint here. (The original question reference blocks, which implies disk storage and not a physical nor virtual memory error.)
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08-09-2007 04:55 AM
08-09-2007 04:55 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Message from user SYSTEM on DEP100
ERRFMT - Error Accessing Log File
%RMS-F-Ful, Device Full(Insufficient Space for Allocations
Message from User System on DEP100
ERRFMT - Deleteing ERRFMT Process
Error Log File Unwritable
To Restart ERRFMT Process, Use "@SYS$SYSTEM:Startup ERRFMT"
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08-09-2007 06:37 AM
08-09-2007 06:37 AM
Re: Booting from CD
your system disk ist full!
Do a
$SHO DEV SYS$SYSDEVICE
and you will see the system disk has 0 or near 0 blocks of free space.
In previous articels, you can find many suggestions, what you can do now.
- Purge sys$sysdevice:[000000...]
- Delete sys$sysdevice:[000000...]*.log.*
- Reply/enable
Reply/log
Purge sys$startup:
etc. etc.
Regrads
Geni
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08-09-2007 06:50 AM
08-09-2007 06:50 AM
Re: Booting from CD
No way to get in a position to do that, it would seem!
Andrij,
You really got those messages, after using
SYSBOOT> set startup_p1 "MIN"
cont
??
If so, look a few answers back about booting from CD.
It seems like you are down to that solution.
Proost.
Have one on me.
jpe
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08-09-2007 07:45 AM
08-09-2007 07:45 AM
Re: Booting from CD
Device already mounted
No operator to service request
What commands do I need to get into the HD of the machine so I can purge the necessary files?
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08-09-2007 08:39 AM
08-09-2007 08:39 AM
Re: Booting from CD
I'd probably look to find bigger files with:
DIRECTORY/SIZE/SELECT=SIZE=MINIMUM=1000 DKA0:[*...]*.*
And see which ones to delete of all those that are listed from the command -- the command will list any file of 1000 blocks or more in size. Some of these will probably be (big) junk files. Various of the files shown will not be "junk" files, so don't delete them all.
Also start the process around purchasing more and/or bigger disks, as I'm going to wager this configuration is using fewer and older and correspondingly tiny disks.
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08-09-2007 09:42 AM
08-09-2007 09:42 AM
Re: Booting from CD
> commands. when I enter show devices, it
> only comes back with the CD drive.
Actual commands with actual output would be
nice here.
> I then did mount/over=ID DKA0.
Error message?
> It still not in Show Devices. Then I try
> to mount it again and it says:
>
> Device already mounted
I don't see how the disk can _not_ appear in
a SHOW DEVICES report, and also be "already
mounted". And because I can't see what you
do or what you see, it's not easy to figure
out what's happening.
> [...] How do I get to Console Mode [...]
> [...]correct syntax to mount the drive?
> [...] How do you boot "MIN" ?
Just a suggestion: If you know very little
about VMS, it would help everyone if you say
so at the beginning, rather than getting a
lot of good answers which don't have all the
detail you seem to need.
Similarly, showing the actual commands you
use, and their actual output, would help more
than your vague descriptions of what you did
and what happened.
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08-09-2007 10:40 PM
08-09-2007 10:40 PM
Re: Booting from CD
Follow these footsteps:
1. Start the machine (don't boot VMS. If it does, Use CTRL-P to get to the console prompt: >>>)
2. in console mode, enter:
>>> SHO *boot*
This will (hopefully, I have no console at hand AND it can differ per system) tell you what the USUAL boot-device is. (it doesn't have to be DKA0:) Keep that in mind. If this is not set up, you'll have to look later on.
3. Boot from CD - that seemed to work.
4. Select the option to enter DCL commands. This will lead to a prompt '$$$'
5. $$$ SHOW DEVICE D
will show all disks known to VMS at that point. The disk you found in 2 should show up. If it's missing, or none was mentioned there, you'll have to check all disks in this list (steps 6 and on)
6. Mount the disk to examine (the one found in (2) or the next in search according the list in (5):
$$$ MOUNT/OVER=ID
7. To see if this is the system disk, examine it the Q & D way (not failsafe, but usually correct):
$$$ DIR
If there is no error, it's likely to actually be a system disk.
If so, proceed with the next step, otherwise you may skip these for other disk, but my recommendation is to execute the commands on ALL disks)
7. Check the disk for free space:
$$$ SHOW DEVICE
There is an entry "free blocks". If this is (very) low, it's time to clean up:
8. Purge the whole disk:
$$$ PURGE [/LOG]
That will leave just the highest versions of the file intact and remove everything else.
Check size as above.
If still to little room available, you'll have to remove some files; logfiles are often a good target (Don't tell the system manager):
$$$ DELETE
Use option /BEFORE to limit removal to "old" files and leave "new" files alone - to please system management ;))
9. Dismount the disk
$$$ DISMOUNT
If you dind't find the system disk, repeat from step 6.
10. When done, logout, and you'll return to the setup menu. Reboot the machine, or, if (2) did not reveal the system disk, shutdown the system and boot manualy, using the device you found to be the system disk.
If this fails with the same error, it might be that your pagefile(s) are on a different disk than the system disk (not uncommon...)
That's why I recommend purging ALL disks).
Another way to see if the disk is a system disk - and very useful if {2} didn't reveal the bootflags:
$$$ DIR
$$$ DIR
This will tell you the possible first number in the "-flags n,m" parameter on boot: Which system root to use. On a standalone machine, this is ussually 0 - so you would have found a 'SYS0.DIR'. Odds are you may find more (I do have several for different environments).
Once up and running, find out if you can free up some space on ALL disks. It used to be a good practice to have at least 20% of free space, though current disks may allow for a smaller amount.
HTH
WG
OpenVMS Developer & System Manager