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06-30-2009 06:19 AM
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Thank you.
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
http://labs.hoffmanlabs.com/node/939
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06-30-2009 06:55 AM
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Is there anyone that does consulting work in case I get in over my head? If so, tell me how to contact you and what your rates are. This is in Brevard county of Florida. I can be reached at b2 at bkelly dot ws. Replace the words and spaces for an accurate email address.
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06-30-2009 08:30 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
I don't think there were a large number of fault-tolerant VAXen sold and probably not a lot of them still in operation. I'd check around when it comes time to decomission them and see if any of the historical/retro-computing sites would want them or see if they'd fetch a decent price on an e-Bay auction rather than just scrapping them.
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06-30-2009 09:07 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
If anyone is interested in a VAX FT110 or two FT810s, let me know. I don't know about the 110, but half of each 810 is working and I think the problem is power supply in both.
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06-30-2009 03:33 PM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
This might sound strange since this is the file that you'll need to look at but if the errors are still occurring a new error log will be created very quickly, what's more analyzing that error log file will be quicker because it will only be small.
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06-30-2009 03:43 PM
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06-30-2009 07:53 PM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
Thank you for the compliment.
Bryan,
I agree with Hoff's comments about the logs, although I would definitely want to ZIP them for possible review. If an error is happening, history could be important.
As I am sure you are unsurprised, I recommend a healthy degree of caution. Information deleted cannot easily be recovered in this situation, and from the postings, it would appear that the systems have been left to their own devices (pun unintended) for an extended period.
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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07-01-2009 10:48 AM
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I looked around for VMS log files and temporary files but found none. Can someone give me a good location to search.
File [SYS0.SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS;1 has 224882/224883 blocks and is dated 23-Mar-1996. I just now realized I should have checked last update. Just the same, is this something that can be deleted?
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07-01-2009 11:08 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
OpenVMS does NOT use a recycle bin. If you deleted files, the SHOW DEVICE will show the results essentially immediately.
If you are deleting files and not seeing an increase in available space, there is something else going on. I suggest extreme caution.
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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07-01-2009 11:20 AM
07-01-2009 11:20 AM
Re: cannot boot, disk full
Even on boat-anchor grade VAX boxes, disk storage is cheap.
Would your site delete these files? That's up to you and your management.
Without intending any disrespect, you're already intentionally and explicitly not maintaining and not repairing these VAXft servers, so I see no reason not to fully commit to that organizational goal. (Would I want to get the "we're not maintaining these boxes" statement from a responsible manager before nuking these files? Yes; with certainty.)
And in general, this OpenVMS VAX version is far enough back that there are various ways the displayed free space value can end up skewed. Usually an ANALYZE /DISK /REPAIR pass can resolve any low-level errors, and the display counts will be off until the next mount/dismount (for data disks) or the next system reboot (for all disks).
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07-01-2009 11:20 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
how did you bring the system up ? did you follow the sequence given in the link from hoff's site for system disk full ( second sequence) ?
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07-01-2009 11:27 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
Two of the more common OpenVMS versions that were around here were OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2HF and OpenVMS VAX V6.2-0HF. And you'll need a matching FTSS kit.
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07-01-2009 11:44 AM
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Re: cannot boot, disk full
On the 810, the single disk filled, the application crashed, but VMS kept running. We deleted some stuff and wound up with 300,000 free blocks. I found another 300,000 to delete and â show dev dâ did not register the deletions. I deleted another couple hundred thousand blocks and they do not show up with â show dev dâ
The FT110 would not boot. After reading some posts here, and looking at the manual that contains much information, but doesnâ t tell me much, I managed to get a conversational boot and set the _P1 to MIN. It booted and a â purge /keep=3â on the entire disk yielded about 4,000 free blocks.
I found a scratch directory in an application that had a huge number of files. The command â del *.*;*â did not return and I interrupted it after a half hour. I entered â dir a*;*â and gave up on that after five minutes, and returned to the delete function. After another half hour, I had to leave for other purposes. I will return tomorrow and see what happened.
BTW: I cannot get internet access while in this area so I must work there, then come home to check posts here.
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07-01-2009 12:28 PM
07-01-2009 12:28 PM
Re: cannot boot, disk full
With your vintage version of VMS operations in a directory with large amounts of files can take an extremely long time.
Look for DFU on the system. It can be downloaded from:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/index.html if you take the utility into the system.
You may not be able to carry in new software. See this thread http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=976275 covers the background and provides some options to speed deletes in large directories.
Generally, it's not a good idea to have application writing temp files, logs or live data to a system disk.
Andy