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Karen Lee_3
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CI vs. NI cluster

I have an existing DS25 running OpenVMS 7.3-2 and I want to add a new ES45 as a cluster member.

Should I plan on installing another NIC card in each server and make a CI cluster or can I run everthing thru my house network?
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Andy Bustamante
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Running your cluster over a LAN is an NI cluster. The question should be, "do you need a redundnat cluster interconnect in the form of a second NIC card?"

Yes is the correct answer. If you only have the two systems, a second NIC and a cross over cable make a very reliable interconnect.

If you run over the in house network, can you trust the network will never be down? Can you application handle having a node exit the cluster if the network drops. In my last position, this required downtime for index rebuilds. For minimal cost, you're making sure the cluster stays up.

Andy

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Karen Lee_3
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

This is my first time setting up a new cluster so.....since this is a NEW system (the ES45) right out of the box with no SCSNODE name, no system disk, nothing to identify it - how do I respond to the prompts in cluster_config concerning node name, etc? Or does the config figure that out for itself?
EdgarZamora_1
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Karen,

Is your DS25 already an existing cluster member? From your post, I get the feeling it's not.

Creating a cluster will take a little planning, before you even invoke the CLUSTER_CONFIG procedure. You mentioned that the ES45 does not even have a system disk. Do you have a SAN? Are you planning on using a common system disk. If you're not using a common system disk, you should get VMS installed on that ES45 first. For us to give you better advice, could you provide more detailed info on your hardware configuration (esp. storage)?

And could you clarify your mention of a CI cluster? Do you really have a CI (Computer Interconnect) cluster with CI hardware (Star Coupler, etc.)?

EdgarZamora_1
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Sorry had to end my post prematurely... had to fix a problem.

Some other questions that come to mind...

What are your business reasons for wanting a cluster? Will the ES45 run the same apps as the DS25?

You will need cluster licenses, and possibly more units on your other software products depending on your goals.
Karen Lee_3
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

here is the current setup -

Existing DS25 - not a cluster right now "VAXCLUSTER = 0". It is an alpha server running 7.3-2. System disk is currently a mirrored internal disk - but will be moved to our EVA prior to clustering.
We have cluster license installed.

New ES45 - no system disk but will have a HBA fiber connection to the EVA so it will be able to see the EVA.
Andy Bustamante
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster


My first step would be to move the DS-25 system disk to the EVA. Configure it as a cluster with quorum disk. The quorum disk should be placed on an EVA disk with little other I/O, some folks will use the system disk without issues. You'll need to inflate votes on the DS-25 for first cluster boot, this creates quorum.dat on the quorum disk. After that, run cluster_config.com to create a new boot root directory or copy of the system disk for your ES-45.

This is a high level overview, you should review the cluster doc at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os732_index.html. It isn't a difficult process if you take the time to plan out a configuration before getting started. There are consulting services to assist in planning, many of them can be found here.


Andy
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John Gillings
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Karen,

You don't want or need CI - it's old technology (almost 30 years!) requires special adapters (expensive), extra infrastructure (a "star coupler") and doesn't make any sense without CI based storage, which I'm sure you don't have (it's old, slow, low capacity and very power hungry by today's standards). These days CI has no advantages over network interconects and many disadvantages. [don't get me wrong, in it's day, CI was revolutionary, and by far the best solution for shared storage, but times have changed, and CI is now past it's "use by" date]

Your first cut at clustering can use your "house" network. Unless you're doing a lot of MSCP serving, the network overheads for SCS are likely to be little more than noise on a 100Mbit network. With modern switches, there should be no impact on other network traffic outside the cluster.

If there are spare network adapters you can (and, IMHO, should) simply plug them in, either connecting 2 systems directly by crossover cable, or connecting multiple systems to a switch or hub (nothing fancy, a cheap commodity switch will probably be more tha adequate). No configuration is necessary, the cluster will automatically find and use any available paths between cluster nodes.

Extra paths improve cluster availabilty in the event of network failure, and can improve throughput. For most purposes, just plug in the cables and forget about them, but if you have unusually high cluster or network traffic you can use SCACP to prioritise traffic on particular links. My advice would be to wait until you can prove there's a traffic issue before worrying about try to "fix" it ;-)
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Robert Gezelter
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Karen,

I will also add that security is a concern when using an existing Ethernet network as a cluster interconnect.

I recommend that you use a dedicated cluster interconnect for both performance and security reasons. As to the rest of the cluster issues, a good review of the cluster manual would be in order.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

comarow
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Re: CI vs. NI cluster


What they are suggesting you do, and I agree with is first convert the existing node to a single node cluster. This is easily accomplished with the command procedure
cluster_config.com


Then, move the system disk to your fiber so the disk can be shared.

At that point, it is easy to execute cluster config, and add a root for that system.

Of course, there are topics such as votes, expected votes, locking and such.

SCS communication is simple the cluster protocol, and does not mean you need a CI cluster.

What tells the cluster to send SCS traffic
over the network is simply the sysgen parameter
niscs_load pea0.

That said, there are two cluster manuals that are worth reading most sections from,
and coming back here with more specifics.

Karen Lee_3
Frequent Advisor

Re: CI vs. NI cluster

Thanks for all your help guys.