How to change name equivalent of UIC

[Cindy Lomas]

I have a user where the UIC shows as
UIC: [100,53] ([100,53])

I want to change it to
UIC: [100,53] ([DEVELOP,SDIMMICK])

Is there a way to do this?

Thanks

[Uwe Zessin · Accepted solution]

Cindy,
that sounds like you had 2 users with the same UICs and changed one of them.

$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM
$ RUN AUTHORIZE
UAF> add/identifier SDIMMICK /value=uic=[100,53]
UAF> exit

[Dale A. Marcy]

Minor correction to UWE's reply:

$ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM
$ RUN AUTHORIZE
UAF> add/identifier SDIMMICK /value=uic=[100,53]
UAF> exit

change the /value portion to read:
/value=uic:[100,53]

the second = should be a :

[Uwe Zessin]

Dale,
the online help indeed says to use ':', but two '=' work for me on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H3 and V7.3-1.

[Dale A. Marcy]

Uwe,

My memory may be faulty, but I thought I had failed using the = at some point. It was a while ago and we have different VAX and Alpha systems at different VMS versions, so I cannot provide any details. If my memory is wrong, I may just also have seen it in the help and never tried the = assuming it would fail.

Actually, I just tried on several of our systems and the = worked on all of them, so I guess my memory is faulty and I always just followed the format indicated in the help.

[Jan van den Ende]

Uwe:

If your memory is failing, mine is in the same way. It indeed used to NOT work on Vax, but I remember my surprise when I 'mistakenly' used "=" on AXP, which I only realised when I noted it did NOT produce an error. (behavior now is just like SET PROTECT=W=RE and the likes).

Ciny,

just depending on whether your uic group 100 was already named, but if it was NOT, then you also need
UAF> add/ident develop/val=uic:[100,*]/attrib=resource
(note the "*" as pseudo-member value, and DON'T forget the RESOURCE attribute.

fwiw,

Jan

[Dale A. Marcy]

Jan,

Thanks for the confirmation. One of the systems I tested tonight was a VAXStation 4000-60 at VMS V7.1 and it accepted the command without error.

[Uwe Zessin]

I am very sure I have always used '==', even on VAX/VMS V4.*. I have looked up an old VMS notes conference from DeCUS Munich and there was a note from 1993 mentioning '=='. Well, never mind.

Has anybody time and interest to try ':='? No, I don't know know the result, yet.

Jan,
are you sure about the ressource attribute? I have never seen that set by default on a general identifier for the UIC group. Correct me if I am wrong, but my memory tells me that that attribute is used when a directory or file is _owned_ by that identifier (a little bit like Unix groups).

[Jan van den Ende]

Uwe:

right again (one half). I was able to find a group identifier name without RESOURCE attrib.
I even was able to create a file with that identifier as owner, as long as QUOTA is not enabled.
However, if you want your users to be able to create files owned by a group by default, THEN the RESOURCE comes into play.
It became so implented when resource uses were butgetted and had to be accounted.
Somehow it has become so ingrained that I never considered otherwise...

Jan

[Uwe Zessin]

Jan,
I had wanted to point out that the RESOURCE attribute is not the default for a group identifier.

Of course you can not create a file owned by a resource identifier when you have no disk quota entry or missing the EXQUOTA privilege! An identifier is just a 32-bit value (like the UIC), but it has the most-significant-bit set.

I have used resource identifiers myself in VMS V4.7 and I understand that it is easy to forget that not all things are set up the same way in every place - happens to me, too...