Printing on Kyocera FS1020 DN

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hello,

first sorry, when I write something wrong. I'm new in this group. So please be thoughtfull with me.

Now my problem. In my company we've many Kyocera FS1050 and I have no problems with these printers. Now we've got the follower, the FS1020 printer. And I'm not able to print correctly on this printer:
with DCPS 2.2 nothing happens (the job is not printing and it stays in the queue, the queue is stalled after some time). With DCPS 2.3 the job is printing but it is not deleted in the queue.

Some more information about my environment:
OpenVMS 7.3-1, I've set the printer to KPDL and I've set the no_sync logical. I print over TCP/IP (5.3 Eco 2) with IP_RAWTCP. I've tried the IP_LPD, too, but there the job is deleted in the queue but it is not printed.

Has somebody more ideas?

Kind regards,

Kirsten

[Dieter Rossbach]

What is the state of the job in the queue after printing?

[Antoniov.]

Hello Kirsten,
it sound like a trouble happened me some weeks ago. You see my thread http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=233486
I have to say my problem it's not fully solved, because sometime, my customer have to resubmit the job.

I don't know your printer but you have to consider DCPS is only for poscript printers, not for PCL or ESC/P printer; for theese printer youe have use telnet symbiont.

In thread I linked you can read the Philippe's answer I explain you:
$ TELNET /CREATE /NOTIME
$ COPY
$ TELNET /DELE
If this command works, you have a no postscript printer.

Bye
Antoniov

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hello,

the state of the job in the queue is still printing.

[Antoniov.]

Hi Kirsten,
try creating a telnet port as in my prior post; then report the result.

Bye
Antoniov

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hi Antoniov,

I've tried you commands but nothing happens.

But:
I've found a nearly good solution for printing. I print over IP_LPD on port LPR1. There the text-files can be printed. With tcpip$lprsetup I've created another queue on port raw. There I can print prescribe files (we need this for printing bar codes).
The only thing I can't print now are postscript files.

Kind regards,

Kirsten

[Willem Grooters]

Kirsten,

Check whether these printers understand Postscript.
I would also try Telnetsymbiont. If you now how to configure the printer (I bet the software does since the old ones had no problem) it will (AFAIK) behave as "RAW" - processing each byte received and so you'll be able to print barcodes as well. You _may_ need to define forms onnthat queue.

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hi Willem,

I really think, that the FS1020 is a Postscript printer. I know it is the follower of the FS1050 and this is a postscript printer.

Then I've tried to test the telnetsym-queues. But I'm not so familiar with it. Telnetsym wants a port number, so I've tried port 9100 and 515 but with both ports nothing is printed (but it is deleted in the queue). raw or something like this (lp1, LPR1 etc.) I can't use with telnetsym (and I can't find it in my documentation).

But there was something with telnetsym. But I can't remember correctly. Perhaps it was that I can't print postscript over it. I don't know any more.

regards,

Kirsten

[Martin P.J. Zinser]

Hello,

according to the product description these printers talk PostScript Level 3. Can you post the LPR setup you have done? What happens if you try to sent PS to the printer? Does it receive the data goto processing and then just not print it?

Greetings, Martin

P.S. According to the SPD no Kyocera printer is officially supported by DCPS.

[Antoniov.]

Hi Kirsten,
port number is depending from printer; you can see or print configuration using printer console; some printer accept a html connection to change their configuration.
Without or wrong port make printer mute (does nothing happen!).
About postscript, what extension have your files? DCPS can write poscript file form other protocol (HP PCL5 or Epson ESC/P); if you file have not .PS extension you can have some problem.

Bye
Antoniov

[Lokesh_2]

Hi Kirsten,

You have written :

"with DCPS 2.2 nothing happens (the job is not printing and it stays in the queue, the queue is stalled after some time). With DCPS 2.3 the job is printing but it is not deleted in the queue.
"
Is it that with DCPS 2.3 you are able to print postscript successfully ?? If , yes then can you please post here the output of $SHOW QUEUE/FULL for this printer queue ?? Also check for /RETAIN qualifier for your printer queue.

Also, can you post here the output of $SHOW LOG DCPS** ??

Thanks & regards,
Lokesh

[Martin P.J. Zinser]

Hello Kirsten,

see below for a basic setup that I use for an
(also unsupported) Samsung printer with PS at home. I still want to figure DCPS out, but did not have the time yet. Using this setup I am able to print postscript files successfully.

$ sh que laser/full
Printer queue LASER, idle, on KORONA::"helium:9100", mounted form DEFAULT
/BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hi Martin,

Postscript is at the moment the onliest thing I can't print. It's a bit difficult to see, what the printer is doing, because it hasn't got a display. So I only can look in his web-page. When I send a postscript document and the printer is "sleeping" it goes to "ready". So something must arrive there, but not so much that he starts "processing".

Here my LPR setup:FS1020_EDV9_PSC|fs1020_edv9_psc|fs1020_edv9_psc:\
:lf=/TCPIP$LPD_ROOT/000000/FS1020_EDV9_PSC.LOG:\
:lp=FS1020_EDV9_PSC:\
:rm=10.112.65.32:\
:rp=raw:\
:sd=/TCPIP$LPD_ROOT/FS1020_EDV9_PSC:



Hi Antoniov,

With DCPS 2.3 and port LPR1 I can print normal textfiles. So this port must be right.
My postscript files have the extension .ps and can be printed on every printer in my office.
The FS1020 has no display (I'm really missing it). I only can configure him over a http-connection.


Hi Lokesh,

I'm not able to print postscript files with DCPS 2.3. Everything else can be printed now (textfiles, prescribe and so on). I'm sorry that I've described it not enough. My first tests were only with a textfile.

Here are my logicals:

(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_ANSI_PARAMETER" = "DATA=ansi,PAGE_SIZE=A4"
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_LPD_PRODUCT_NAME" = "HP LaserJet 4100 Series "
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_LPD_SHEET_SIZE" = "A4"
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_NO_SYNC" = "1"
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_PID" = "20403E59"
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_PRODUCT_NAME" = "HP LaserJet 4100 Series "
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_SCRIPT_PARAMETER" = "DATA=postscript,PAGE_SIZE=A4"
"DCPS$FS1020_EDV9_SHEET_SIZE" = "A4"


The product name "HP LaserJet 4100 series" was a hint from HP, and with it I can print text files over IP_LPD.

By the way, here is my queue:
Printer queue FS1020_EDV9, idle, on MORLE2::"IP_LPD/10.112.65.32:LPR1",
mounted form DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT)
/BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT (stock=DEFAULT))
/NOENABLE_GENERIC /LIBRARY=DCPS_LIB Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]
/PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)


Thank you to all who help me.

Kind regards,

Kirsten

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hi Martin,

one thing I've forgotten in my last posting. I've tried the test with the following telnetsym-queue and there nothing happens (was deleted in the queue but not printed):

Printer queue FS1020_EDV9_TS, idle, on MORLE2::"10.112.65.32:9100",
mounted form DEFAULT
/BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]
/PROCESSOR=TCPIP$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)

regards,

Kirsten

[Antoniov.]

Hello Kirsten,
automatic extension detec is per queue, so it's possible you have all queues working fine but this no.
Read chapter 4 of this documentation
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_mguide/dcps023_mguide_004.html#datatype_overview
because it's possible you set for HP 4100 and your queue can't recognize postscript files.
Remember also DCPS needs bidirectional handshake for raw TCP/IP.
In the same documentation at chapter 11 HP hints disable postscript autosense on printer http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_mguide/dcps023_mguide_010.html#sec_trouble_ip
No any other idea is in mind now.

Bye
Antoniov

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hello Antoniov,

many thanks for your reply. I've tried printing with /param=data=postscript and without it. Both time the same result, the file is not printed.

The language of the printer is changed to KPDL (not AUTO). Otherwise I can't print on it. And I must define the NO_SYNC logical. Without it, I can't print, too.

At the moment I think the best thing would be to give this printer back and look for another one.

Kind regards,

Kirsten

[Martin P.J. Zinser]

Hello Kirsten,

one bandaid/workaround. If you do have a Linux server somewhere on your network (or an old spare PC to setup) you could setup LPD on that, and print from your VMS system successfully via the Linux box. I do that with an hp deskjet 710 (very unsupported under VMS!) color inkjet printer at home just fine. As I said, not nice, but might be a way to get you going.

Greetings, Martin

[Lokesh_2]

Hi Martin,

Excellent suggestion!! The linux server can act as print server. But, why only linux, why not windows...I thing we can set up LPD services in windows too..I do not know much about linux/windows, but I am using print servers which are both Unix & window .

Thanks & regards,
Lokesh

[Martin P.J. Zinser]

Hi Lokesh,

only one reason: I don't do Windows ;-). I do some Linux and have that setup running at home. I perfectly well expect that it is possible to do something similar with Windows somehow, but since I do not have first hand experience I can not comment on the details.

Greetings, Martin

P.S. And yes, before you ask, also my ITRC access is either via Mozilla on VMS or Linux.

[Kirsten Knüttel]

Hello,

I give up with this printer. This printer was only lent to test it and tomorrow I will give it back. They will then test it under Linux (the problem is always the same: nobody has heard about OpenVMS....).
Even Kyocera couldn't help me ("please install a newer driver").
So now we're again looking for a follower for our FS1050.

But nonetheless: many thanks to all who tried to help me with this lovely printer.
Perhaps I can help you in the future,too. Who knows....

Kind regards,

Kirsten