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тАО07-22-2007 09:45 AM
тАО07-22-2007 09:45 AM
When trying to shut down a VAX 4705 running VMS 6.1 (Iknow, I know) at a client site, system shutdown hangs at the point where it stops the que manager. Sending CTRL-Y interrupt makes the shutdown process continue.
Couple questions.
1. Anyone run into this and know of any fixes and/or workarounds?
2. Anyone know how to send a CTRL-Y so that if we had the shutdown going in a com file, I could just maybe wait for 10 or 15 seconds, and then send it to keep the shutdown going?
3. Any other suggestions?
Thanks,
Warren
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тАО07-22-2007 10:20 AM
тАО07-22-2007 10:20 AM
SolutionPoke around within the shutdown (verify) and find out exactly what is hanging -- you might be able to work around this by short-circuiting whatever failed and locked up.
2: hit break on the console, and hard-halt the box. There's no way to send a ^Y from within DCL; that character has to arrive in-bound from a terminal or a terminal emulator or console management package.
3a: Consider fixing the "I know, I know" part you refer to, at least as far as applying the ECOs for V6.1 (and those are themselves rather old now) and preferably V6.2, or V7.3. That'll get the known problems resolved.
3b: Look at your data archives and ensure you can restore what you've archived, as a VAX 4000 model 705 series has increasingly old and increasingly failure-prone storage. I'd be looking at replacing the whole box; based on the release schedule, this configuration hasn't seen significant changes in a dozen years -- this software is older than Windows 95, after all. Hardware does eventually fail. SIMH or CHARON-VAX, or a move to an Integrity, are the obvious paths forward.
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тАО07-22-2007 03:59 PM
тАО07-22-2007 03:59 PM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
I take it this is a standalone node.
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тАО07-22-2007 05:47 PM
тАО07-22-2007 05:47 PM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
As previously asked is the node a cluster member ? If so where was the queue manager running ?
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тАО07-22-2007 06:23 PM
тАО07-22-2007 06:23 PM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
$ @limit_spawn 30 stop/que/man
$! LIMIT_SPAWN
$! ===========
$! This procedure executes a command and waits a limited time for its
$! completion. The status of the command is NOT returned !
$!
$! P1 time to wait for completion, default 5 seconds
$! P2...P8 command to execute
$!
$! THIS FILE MAY NOT BE MODIFIED OUTSIDE THE SYSMGT MAINTENANCE SYSTEM
$!==============================================================================
$ say = "write sys$output"
$ p2=p2 + " " + p3 + " " + p4 + " "+ p5 + " " + p6 + " " + p7 + " " + p8
$ proccnt=f$getjpi(0,"jobprccnt")
$ spawn /nowait /nolog /input=nl: 'p2'
$ if p1 .eqs. "" then p1=5
$ cnt=0
$wait:
$ wait 00:00:01
$ cnt=cnt+1
$ if cnt .gt. p1
$ then
$ say "!!! ATTENTION : ''p2' didn't complete in ''p1' seconds !!!"
$ exit
$ endif
$ if proccnt .ne. f$getjpi(0,"jobprccnt") then goto wait
$ exit
Wim
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тАО07-23-2007 01:26 AM
тАО07-23-2007 01:26 AM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
Hoff, I mis-spoke. Architecture WAS 4705, but it is now running on a CHARON-VAX. We are actually in process of testing /validating before going live and that's where this problem is occurring.
Martin - Yes, can stop que manager interactively. Only been attempting to do so during this migration testing, tho.
Node is standalone on CHARON-VAX. WAS part of 2-node (4705s) VaxCluster.
Thomas - Hangs indefinitely w/o sending CTRL-Y
Wim - Will look at your spawned job, altho I guess the Real question I have is Can you automate a shutdown w/o using batch ques? I was trying to think through it, and I always come to the point that you can't do it in a batch que, since when SHUTDOWN stops the que manager, the batch job would abort and the shutdown process would be unfinished at that point. I've just never really tried to automate shutdown. Always did it interactively either executing the @sys4system:shutdown or by typing the SHUTDOWN symbol.
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тАО07-23-2007 01:48 AM
тАО07-23-2007 01:48 AM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
There are no major releases from V6.0 forward on OpenVMS VAX, and both user-mode and kernel mode applications are expected to be fully forward-compatible.
If it still hangs during shutdown (on V6.2 with ECOs or V7.3 with ECOs), then the differential involves whether the hang happens with a real VAX 4000 model 705 box. If it does (and you have a support contract), the report goes to HP. If not, the report goes to SRI.
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тАО07-23-2007 01:59 AM
тАО07-23-2007 01:59 AM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
Moving off of VMS 6.1 does not appear to be an option, but I WILL check to see if it has latest ECOS loaded and if not, I will recommend to them that we do so and see if this rectifies this particular problem.
Thx,
w
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тАО07-23-2007 08:15 AM
тАО07-23-2007 08:15 AM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
you can run a detached job set off by
a batch queue to shut your system down. I
look to see if I can find the stuff we
used to use tonight. Dean.
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тАО07-23-2007 08:18 AM
тАО07-23-2007 08:18 AM
Re: Shudown hangng on VAX 4705 at Que Manager Shutdown
Thanks in advance !!!
w