UCX license strange

[Alex Chupahin]

Hello all,
a couple days ago my DS10L with 8.3 losts network.
When reboot I can see errors:

TCPIP SERVER ERROR
TCPIP-IP-CLIENT PAK IS NOT ENABLED

in DECTerm I can ping myself via
192.168.1.6 (this address is on the first interface with cable connected, but the led is off, cable is definetely good)
Restarting TCPIP via TCPIUP$CONFIG.COM shows me success without any error.

$SHOW LIC
.....
UCX DEC 0 0 100 0.0 none 25-NOV-2010
UCX-IP-CLIENT DEC 0 0 100 0.0 none 25-NOV-2010
UCX-IP-NFS DEC 0 0 100 0.0 none 25-NOV-2010
UCX-IP-RT DEC 0 0 100 0.0 none 25-NOV-2010

It seems all licenses needed are in the system.
What can be wrong?
I tried to reinstall licenses - without success.

[Volker Halle]

Alex,

you should be able to see these error message as well with:

$ @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG

If there are no TCPIP license, messages will be shown in the menue to that effect.

What does $ SHOW TIME return ?

Volker.

[Alex Chupahin]

25-MAY-2010 11:51:02

[Shriniketan Bhagwat]

Alex,

Not sure, but below link may be helpful.
http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1252208

Regards,
Ketan

[Alex Chupahin]

it is really no error when start tcpip manually thru tcpip$config.com

[Volker Halle]

Alex,

try

$ tcpip check license
$ sho sym/global tcpip$license*

Do you also have NET-APP-SUP-* licenses ?

Volker.

[Volker Halle]

Alex,

so you're saying that the license check only fails during SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and not when run interactively ?!

Add a $ SHOW LIC UCX* before invoking @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM from your startup procedure.

Where does LMF$LICENSE point to ?

Volker.

[Alex Chupahin]

>Do you also have NET-APP-SUP-* licenses ?

No, and never had - I'm hobby user.


$ tcpip check license

shows nothing
(BTW, as like at my DEC 2000/300 with 7.3-2, that is feeling fine in network)


$ sho sym/global tcpip$license*

undefined symbol

I mean tcpip$config.com starts TCPIP without any error, but network still down.
I can ping myself, but not anything else. It looks like network adapter is switchoff.

[Alex Chupahin]

> so you're saying that the license check only >fails during SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and not when >run interactively ?!

I can start it interactively without any error but without success too.
It fairly send me messages that tcpip kernel has been started, various telnet/ssh/ftp ....
but network led still off.

The error
TCPIP SERVER ERROR I can see only during boot process.

It is totally looked very closer to I had bad network adapter/cable, except that message at boot time
TCPIP SERVER ERROR
TCPIP-IP-CLIENT PAK IS NOT ENABLED
And I'm *sure* I had good both.

[Volker Halle]

Alex,

$ TCPIP CHECK LICENSE sets the TCPIP$LICENSE* global symbols. It does NOT issue any message !

In which startup procedure are you starting TCPIP ? Are the licenses already loaded at that time ?

Does TCPIP SHOW INT show an interface ?
Does SHOW DEV E show a LAN interface ?

Volker.

[Alex Chupahin]

>In which startup procedure are you starting >TCPIP ? Are the licenses already loaded at >that time ?

I commented any TCPIP$STARTUP lines at the SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM
and reboot.
No success, the all same:

After "OpenVMS startup begun at ...
FAST FD mode set by console
TCPIP-E-SERVERROR cannot process service request
TCPIP-E-NOCLILIC TCPIP-IP-CLIENT PAK IS NOT ENABLED

Then system boots.

I'm really do not understand whats happened





Does TCPIP SHOW INT show an interface ?

yes
we0 and we1 with proper IP address/mask
received 0 sent 63

Does SHOW DEV E show a LAN interface ?
yes, EWA* all online, errors 0

[John Gillings]

Alex,

> "OpenVMS startup begun at ...
>FAST FD mode set by console
>TCPIP-E-SERVERROR cannot process service request
>TCPIP-E-NOCLILIC TCPIP-IP-CLIENT PAK IS NOT ENABLED

That looks like it's fairly early in the startup. Are you starting some piece of TCPIP before the license data base is loaded?

Put some trace lines in SYLOGICALS.COM and SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM or use a verbose boot to see the exact sequence.

[Alex Chupahin]

boot with verbose:

FAST FD mode set by console
LOADER-I-INIT initializing SYS$YSDRIVER
LOADER-I-INIT initializing SYS$DVDDRIVER
LOADER-I-INIT initializing SYS$IIDRIVER
TCPIP-E-SERVERROR cannot process service request
TCPIP-E-NOCLILIC TCPIP-IP-CLIENT PAK IS NOT ENABLED


> That looks like it's fairly early in the
>startup. Are you starting some piece of TCPIP
>before the license data base is loaded?

Yes VERY early. Before SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM has been started.
So

>Put some trace lines in SYLOGICALS.COM and
>SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM

is not useful.

[Alex Chupahin]

Nobody can help?

[Oswald Knoppers_1]

>Yes VERY early. Before SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM has been started.

So why don't you move the tcpip$startup to systartup_vms.com? Apparently the licence info is not yet available at the moment you are starting TCPIP.

Oswald

[Volker Halle]

Alex,

this is not E8.4 and you're trying to run Cluster-over-IP, is it ?

You must start TCPIP$STARTUP.COM in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and not earlier.

Add a SHOW LIC UCX* immediately BEFORE you invoke @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM

Volker.

[John Gillings]

Alex,

There are a few startup procedures that run before SYLOGICALS.COM, see SYSMAN for a complete list of procedures:

SYSMAN> STARTUP SET DATABASE STARTUP$STARTUP_VMS
SYSMAN> STARTUP SHOW FILE

Have a look inside them to see what they call out. For example SYCONFIG.COM, SYSECURITY.COM and SYPAGSWPFILES.COM. Perhaps some TCPIP stuff has found its way into one of those procedures?

[Shruthi K Prakashan]

Alex,

You could also add the following command before you invoke TCPIP$STARTUP.COM :

$ license list ucx*/full

The command reads license information from the License database, so you would know if license information is accessible at that instance and if the PAK is enabled/disabled.

-Shruthi

[John Gillings]

re: Shruthi, >$ license list ucx*/full

I'd say you'd be better off with:

$ SHOW LICENSE UCX*,NET-APP*

or, better, (as already suggested)

$ TCPIP CHECK LICENSE
$ SHOW SYMBOL TCPIP$LICENSE*


LICENSE LIST only tells you what's in the LDB, it says nothing about what will actually happen if you attempt to use the product on the current node. Furthermore, if the error is prior to executing SYLOGICALS.COM, LICENSE LIST may not even look in the correct place, because LMF$LICENSE isn't yet defined. Even then, looking for UCX* doesn't cover all the possibilities of PAKs which enable TCPIP services. See SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM. It's different again for Itanium, which is why TCPIP CHECK LICENSE should be the preferred mechansim.

At issue here is that something, somewhere is attempting to use a UCX PAK before licensing has been started (which LOADs the appropriate PAK).

First objective is to find what and where.

Once you know that, you can decide if the problem is that whatever it is is misplaced (in which case it should be removed and TCPIP$STARTUP moved back to its "normal" place in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM), or it is necessary, in which case it's possible the warning can be ignored, or HP should update the software to not issue a message (like shadowing a system disk, which happens before a shadowing license can be known).

[Alex Chupahin]

Thank you for all had tried to help me
This is report of the solved problem.

1. I remove TCPIP services
And get undefined command TCPIP call when booting. Good.

2. I tried (thanks to John Gillings) to
find call any TCPIP from the list from
SYSMAN> STARTUP SHOW FILE
but no any call.
VERY INTERESTING.
well, go next.

3. I searched any TCPIP keywords from sys$startup:
and find a one file from samba package.
Interesting, I've removed samba previously.
And samba procedures should starts much later...
I've removed this file
reboot
and get network
:)
still do not understand why samba procedure starts so early, but I'll decide it later then.