how to connect tru64 v 40. D to pc windows xp

[MNMC]

Thanks very much

the proplem was hidden in the computer of the gantry, not in the cables, when I saw that computer, I saw some ethernet ports and cabels, I I pulled it to see what its seems, snd back it as if it was, now I remembered, then I pulled thim and clean dust indsie port, then the proplem silved.

I put twisted-pair for ewa0, and set that bus_....... to old, then test it, it is work very good.

So you have helped me very much, how I well think of that dust without ensure the SRM settings of that manual is ture.

the manual is the service books which come from the midecal company "picker", contain explaination about all using and maintenance of the system and the Image processor "Odessey".

Picker called the alpha machine "odessey FX", and called the system "digital unix on odessey".

this system cant be installed in a usual alpha, I tried to install it on personal alpha elumater, but the it give me messege said that this system cant be installed on non picker-odessey alpha machines!!

this manuals or books contain lot of similar masseges or notes, it give you impression that the system is closed and confined for picker only, even in simlpe things, but picker was die long.

[Steven Schweda]

> [...] this system cant be installed on non
> picker-odessey alpha machines!!

Perhaps with some adjustments to the
emulator...

All you need to do is reverse-engineer a big
collection of software, and then you can make
almost anything work. (Telling the lies is
easy. Learning which lies to tell is the
hard part.)

> [...] ensure the SRM settings [...]

It's always good to do "show" before "set".

[MNMC]

> Perhaps with some adjustments to the
emulator...

perhaps we well need that, when the alpha die, I forget to tell about other copy of that sysem from picker, it does`nt say that massege, but when I reached to farmat the virtual dirk (rz*) it cant reach to it, perhaps the orginal disk in the odessey alpha is customised, and the system is cutomized too by picker to fit each other only.

> All you need to do is reverse-engineer a big
collection of software, and then you can make
almost anything work. (Telling the lies is
easy. Learning which lies to tell is the
hard part.)

who means is th false, me?? or picker??, sory for this quastion, but I dont understand exaclty.

[...] ensure the SRM settings [...]

> It's always good to do "show" before "set".

please what are you mean by "show" before "set", also I dont understand exaclty.

[Steven Schweda]

> who means is th false, me?? or picker??,

If the emulator says that it is the right
kind of system, then the Picker software
should be happy. (All you need to determine
is what "right" is, and how to say it.)

> what are you mean by "show" before "set",

For example:

>>>show bus_probe_algorithm

_before_:

>>>set bus_probe_algorithm XXX


> I dont understand exaclty.

You didn't miss anything important.

[MNMC]

By the way I have some amusement qastions and subjects:

1- Why the CDs of that OS cant boot or seen in a usuall pc??, ist only boot on that elumater.

2- There is some method to copy the phiscal system inside HHD tha real alpha to a virtual alpha HHD, so that I dodger that Picker massages, then I well move that ethernet-AUI card to the pc, to connect it to the gantry camera, its seems like a fiction, hahahaha.

[MNMC]

> For example:

>>>show bus_probe_algorithm

_before_:

>>>set bus_probe_algorithm XXX

You are right, realy I wished if I show it after set it, but that compaq pdf determine it new or old, I have searched for some giude of SRM but found useless thing.

so thanks very much.

[Steven Schweda]

> 1- Why the CDs of that OS cant boot or seen
> in a usuall pc??, ist only boot on that
> elumater.

I'd guess that a Tru64 installation CD-ROM
contains a UNIX file system, not a simple ISO
9660 file system. The Alpha SRM firmware can
probably understand a UNIX file system and a
VMS (ODS) file system, but not much else.

> 2- There is some method to copy the phiscal
> system inside HHD tha real alpha to a
> virtual alpha HHD, [...]

Probably, but I have so much real junk that I
haven't yet needed to use an emulator, so
I've never worried about it. The people who
created the emulator should know more. If
you have a SCSI interface on the emulating
system, then I'd guess that you could attach
the old SCSI disk to the new system, and then
do some kind of raw copy ("dd" or equivalent)
from the old SCSI disk to a disk image file.

[Rob Leadbeater]

Hi,

> There is some method to copy the phiscal
> system inside HHD tha real alpha to a
> virtual alpha HHD

This should be fairly easy - I did it recently to test that an old application could be moved to the Alpha emulator without any changes.

Can you post the output of

# df -k

This will show the filesystems on the server and how full they are.

Have you got the Windows PC talking to the Unix machine now ?

Cheers,

Rob

[MNMC]

> There is some method to copy the phiscal
> system inside HHD tha real alpha to a
virtual alpha HHD

>This should be fairly easy - I did it recently to test that an old application could be moved to the Alpha emulator without any changes.

>Can you post the output of

# df -k

Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on

/dev/rz0a 63967 53871 3699 94% /

/dev/rz0g 1736333 1453556 109143 94% /img0

/proc 0 0 0 100% /proc

what is /proc partition?? what it is function?

> Have you got the Windows PC talking to the Unix machine now ?

not yet Im waiting for my empoler to bring cables and ...., so Im amuseing with some things meanwhile.

[Rob Leadbeater]

OK. There's not a lot of free space there.

I was thinking you might be able to backup the system to files, and then transfer those over to the Windows machine to restore onto the Alpha emulator.

Once you've got the network working, you could get a basic digital unix system working on the emulator with a drive shared out via NFS that could be mounted by the original machine - but that might get complicated...

/proc is a file system that enables running processes to be accessed as files. Look at the man page for proc.

# man proc

Cheers,

Rob

[MNMC]

I remember an important quastion:

After making the network, can I use the CD-ROM of the PC for the Alpha??, to install optional software form the original software CDs??

[Rob Leadbeater]

This should be possible, but you would have to share it out via NFS using the Alpha emulator.

Cheers,
Rob

[MNMC]

Hi

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â Steven Schweda

â Rob Leadbeater

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for yhat network, the cables doesn come yet, my emploer is very busy these days, but Im sure, it well work very good, I well tell you when it done, I hope there well not be any troubleshoots.

best thanks and gratitude

[MNMC]

hallo

I`d like to ask about SRM console, my SRM POST countdown (eb...ea.e9.e8.e7...), dosnt appear in first switch on the alpha, but it appear after pressing restart, or entering "init".

you have advice me to replace the lithiom cell.

I sow in my alpha manual that there is a prosedure of floppy disk diagnostics, one of them is for check main memory, so, is that well solve the proplem?? or at least tell me what the problem?

also Im afraid of replace the lithiom cell, well the data stored in the flashROM well cleared??
because I know that well clear the BIOS password in PCs.

and very thanks.

[Rob Leadbeater]

Are you using a graphics console or serial ?

>>> show console

If you're using graphics, then the initial POST displays only go the serial console.

If you do replace the battery, then try and capture the output of:

>>> show *

That will enable you to restore things to as to they were if they do reset.

Cheers,

Rob

[MNMC]

Thank you very much

> Are you using a graphics console or serial ?

>>> show console

> If you're using graphics, then the initial POST displays only go the serial console.

of course the manual tells like you, and I have already made it, the result was graphics, and although I set the console to graphics, but I think that if the console is serial, it well not work after make restart.

I dont proprely undrestand this " then the initial POST displays only go the serial console".

> If you do replace the battery, then try and capture the output of:

>>> show *

> That will enable you to restore things to as to they were if they do reset.

OK, but the result of "show *" is to long to displayed in one screen, and the " |more " dosen make anything in my SRM, perhaps becuase its version is old, V6.8-2.

I understand that replaceing the battery well clear the ROM DATA, is this true?

also, is the result of "show *" contain all things of SRM??

[Rob Leadbeater]

If the console is set to serial, then you need to have a terminal or a PC running a terminal emulator connected to the serial port (COM1) to see the output.

> "then the initial POST displays only go the serial console"

The graphics card doesn't get initialised until someway into the POST, so you don't see the output.

If you can't use "|more" then getting the serial console working will probably help, as you'll be able to capture the output a terminal emulator.

Yes, if you change the battery, I believe all of the SRM settings will revert to their defaults.

Cheers,
Rob

[MNMC]

I have found the date in the SRM is begining in 0:00:00 saturday 0, 2000, in evry time I switch the alpha power on ,so the battery is nearly dead.

I have found an idea to get my SRM ">>>show *" list, please provide me any SRM "show *" list, then I well make ">>>show" for every one variable.

[Steven Schweda]

> [...] so the battery is nearly dead.

It sounds dead.

> I have found an idea to get my SRM
> ">>>show *" list, please provide me any SRM
> "show *" list, then I well make ">>>show"
> for every one variable.

What's wrong with a simple

>>>show *
?

If "| more" doesn't work, you could try
things like:

>>>show a*
>>>show b*

and so on.

Or, switch to using a serial terminal
console, as previously suggested, and use a
terminal emulator which can remember (and
display) more than one screenful of text.

Or update the SRM firmware.

If the Li cell is dead, then what makes you
think that your current settings are any
good? I'd simply install a new Li cell, and
then set anything which needs to be set.
You're thinking too hard. This is easier
than you're making it.

[MNMC]

Hallo Mr steven
how are you?

> If "| more" doesn't work, you could try
things like:

>>>show a*
>>>show b*

> and so on.

oh, thanks, thats a very good idea, I try it, it work very good.


> Or, switch to using a serial terminal
console, as previously suggested, and use a
terminal emulator which can remember (and
display) more than one screenful of text.

I have not any serial cables nor the ethernet cables yet, and nor terminal emulator.

Or update the SRM firmware.

I have not CD of SRM, nor the CD-ROM work.

> If the Li cell is dead, then what makes you
think that your current settings are any
good?

For examlpeI, have already set that "bus_*" to "old", and it still "old", it not become to the default "new", so I think the battry is not complete dead yet.

> I'd simply install a new Li cell, and
then set anything which needs to be set.
You're thinking too hard. This is easier
than you're making it.

I wish if I can, but Im not an expert with these things, before 2 weeks, I was dont know the name of the SRM !!, I was try to enter the bios by "del: or "F2", then I know there is not bios in alpha.

besides, I dont want any thing to change in this alpha, Im afraid to become not work or connect with gantry.

what abouy your Emails??

[Steven Schweda]

> I have not CD of SRM, [...]

http://h30097.www3.hp.com/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/index.html

> [...] nor the CD-ROM work.

So far as I can remember, I've always used a
CD-ROM, but I believe that it's possible to
use a floppy disk. A working CD-ROM drive is
a good thing to have. (So is a local-area
network.)

> [...] so I think the battry is not complete
> dead yet.

Or the NVRAM is more NV than you think.


> what abouy your Emails??

Is Google broken?

[MNMC]

> So far as I can remember, I've always used a
CD-ROM, but I believe that it's possible to
use a floppy disk. A working CD-ROM drive is
a good thing to have. (So is a local-area
network.)

Ok, I found firmware image for floppy on, does the update well keep the old ">>>show" or it well set them to default??

> Or the NVRAM is more NV than you think.

I dont know what is NVRAM, so I can not think any about it.

[Rob Leadbeater]

The firmware update shouldn't modify any of the SRM (>>>) variables.

NVRAM - Non Volatile Random Access Memory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVRAM

[MNMC]

hi

Are there themes for CDE such as KDE or GNOME??

here is a screenshot of my desktop digital unix in the file attachment.

aslo, Is there a method for changing background picture?
I remember that I have found some method but after reboot, the original picture return, so I want the new picture to stay.

[Steven Schweda]

> Are there themes for CDE such as KDE or
> GNOME??

You're lucky that you can change colors using
the Style Manager. How old is this system?

> [...] but after reboot, [...]

So, add the command(s) for "some method" to
your shell start-up script ("~/.profile" or
"~/.login", depending on your shell).