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Jadrice Toussaint
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Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

I opened up a case with HP on this issue and this is the reponse that I got from the support team. And I must admit, I don't know how much HP is paying these support guys but I was very unhappy with the way this case was handled. The support guy was basically saying anything and did not want to do any research but instead was looking for easy way out to end the call.

My issue:
Prior to IM7 SP2, I was able to receive both warning events and critical events from IM. Because the warning threshold events were not of significance to me, I disabled the warning thresholds on all servers monitored by IM. When I upgraded to IM7 Sp2, the warning thresholds now registered in IM7 SP2 as critical events not as minor which was the case prior to IM7 SP2. Futhermore, because I disabled the warning thresholds, everytime I rebooted a server, the following trap is sent to the IM7 SP2 server:
Threshold Agent: Rising Threshold Passed. SNMP MIB Variable .1.3.6.1.4.1.232.11.2.4.1.1.5.3 has value 0 >= 0. Severity: Warning Description: T:SQLLog [NTFS] disk space. Refer to the MIB for a definition of the variable. [SNMP TRAP: 10005 in CPQTHRSH.MIB]

at first I was not sure as to why this is happening so I opened up a case with HP and spoke to a tech who suggested that I uninstall and re-installed the Management agents (version 6.40). This did not solve the issue. I then followed up later and my call was escalated to another tech. This guy needs to get off his high horse and do what he's paid to do. He refused to try anything that I suggested but instead was ftrying to feed my a lot of BS as to why this is happening and there was nothing that could be done and I should accept the way it is.

This is an email from the first tech guy about this issue:

Jadrice,

I have inquired into the warning and critical threshold traps question from IM7 development and unfortunately this is as designed.
Basically a decision was made based upon feedback from many of our other customers to limit the number of traps that would be generated by both the agents and forwarded by IM7.
Apparently there was concern from many of our customers over our agents being too "chatty" and generating more traps than they thought necessary. A decision was made to limit them wherever we could and in your case there will be only one critical trap generated for both the warning and critical disk threshold alarm.
I know this is not the response you wanted to hear but it is the truth. I did make a point to express your frustration as to this behavior and the points were documented and will be taken into account for future enhancements to the product.
In the meantime the only advice I have is to edit your queries and notifications to adjust to this behavior.
I apologize that there will not be an immediate adjustment to this behavior.

If this is a business decision, how can HP overlook the critical portion of this issue. If customers were complaining about agents being too chatty, the issue should have been eliminated form the agents side and not IM7 since teh traps are beng sent from the management agents. So to me this is BS.

Here is the email from the second tech that swore that I didn't know what the hell that I'm talking about:

Mr. Jadrice Toussaint


Your case has been evaluated by the ProLiant Essentials Team and these are the solutions to the issue encountered :


For a critical threshold to be set at 95%, a valid range for warning threshold is 6 percentage to 95 percentage. If this range is set below this point as shown on number 1 screen shot event viewer generate the warning message and IM 7 will report a critical event. Currently IM 7 is using the same message for the Warning and Critical setting. This has been sent to our AET personnel for a suggested improvement to IM 7.

Well, why would I need to set up a warning threshold if it is being reported in IM7 not as a minor event but as a critical event?
The way I configure my alerting, I use a product called ATTENTION that dials out and call the appropriate member of my team when a critical event is received in IM7. Needless to say that I do not want to send a false positive notification in the case of disk space threshold. So this is unacceptable.

I'm suppose to be using an enterprise based product (IM7 SP2)that was supposedly tested thoroughly before it was released.

Come on guys, you need to fix the agents that are sending the traps not IM7. Instead it appears to me that you broke the way IM7 SP2 is hadnling disk space threshold events.

If you want to eliminate warning thresholds, then take out of the management agents nto IM 7 since it only listens to SNMP traps.






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Scott Shaffer
Esteemed Contributor
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Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Jadrice, I would like to apologize for the poor support you recieved. Reinstalling the agent was definately the wrong call. If you can get me the case number I will follow-up with this to make sure that advice isn't given again.

I'll also give you a call (I'll get your contact info from the case) so we can discuss this in more detail.

Scott
Dude, we've been totally misled by our album covers!
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Scott -


Thanks for your quick reply. Here is the case number: 3202766767
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Scott -

Thanks for the follow up call. I'm going to play around with the ATTENTION settings to try to filter based on the trap details as discussed. I also appreciate your effort in getting things fixed.


Thanks

- Jadrice
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Jadrice~

I am currently in the early stages of using ATTENTION with IM7. I would like to know how its been working for you and any tips would be great. Have you had any issues related to ATTENTION/Dialogic & Norton Antivirus?

Appreciate your time.

Tom
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Tom -

No issues whatsoever. I'm actually running ATTENTION, WUG, IM7 and Norton on the same box. It's been working great for me. Here is what you need to do to get it to work like a charm. All attention notification will need to be setup in a batch file or command file. You would then create Application launch style notification tasks. That is what works best with ATTENTION. Do not attempt to set teh variables in IM7 as that will bomb each and everytime. instead follow this format below:

Here is a sample batch file that I have to send out attention alerts from IM7.

@echo off
SET ATTNSRV=Servername
REM run attn passing the file as a param
c:\winnt\system32\attn.exe -a "communications" " %DEVICENAME% is in a %NOTICESEVERITYSTR% state. %NOTICELABEL%."

Follow this format and you will be in a good shape.

One thing you must know is that when IM7 send out a notificatio via ATTENTION, you will onoy be able to extract just the device name that is in trouble, the severity of the alert and the description. You will not be able to attach the trap details however. Besides you would not want that:)

Good luck
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Jadrice~

Many thanks for the information. By the way, are you running attention in dual mode? meaning its installed on one Server as the Primary and on another as Secondary? Also, are you using proliant servers? sorry for the many questions but its been a tough road with this product. The actual program (attention) has been fine but the trouble has been with the dialogic board.

Tom
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Tom -

I actually wrote a nice little documentation on how to install the dialogic drivers and to get it working. It is attached to this post. Some of the steps in the documentation may not be necessary for you, but it will give you sufficient information on how to get it installed. I documented the dialogic board based on my own experience and it is different from the sh*tty documentation that was initially downloaded.

I modified the document to exclude my servers name and phone extensions. if you don't have the dialogic drivers, let me know since intel is now charging for them. I was able to save a copy and kept it on lock.
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

By the way, Install the drivers first before you install the board. If you already installed the board, then disregard this and proceed as followed in the documentation.
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Well good night. I will be monitoring this forum tomorrow morning eastern time if you need a hand.
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Jadrice~

Again, thanks for the doc on the dialogic stuff. Is there a better way to communicate with you? I don't mind asking questions via this forum but thought i ask. The latest problem with the Attention is that no one could explain why the process "callin.exe" was going away or something else was causing the process to demand over 95% of the CPU and etc.. It has caused the computer to crawl. As you may know, callin.exe allows the dialogic board to function. Its been a very tough past few years. We noticed that when norton does its system scan, then callin.exe would act up or go away completely. I mean the process would die. Have reinstalled the board and software. Not sure if it is the fact they are on Proliant ML370 Servers.

Tom
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

TOm -

I have had no such experience. I installed the board twice on two different platforms (DL360 and DL580). I would suggest that you remove norton completely form the server. make sure attention is not running. and retry the installation based on the document that I sent you. Furthermore, are you using the same version of drivers as I am?

you can reach me by email. I will forward you my voice contact then you can call. Let s get this up and running:)
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

I am not sure, which version are you using? I am using 5.1.1 Do you know of a place where I could get some helpful information related to the dialogic card. Its been tough only working with the vendor.
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Unfortunately, there is not a lot of support out there for the dialogic board. I had to come up with my own ways of getting it to work properly. Send me an email with your number and I'll help you to get it working.
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

thanks...how do i get your email and by the way, it is working currently but would appreciate having your name and email around in case i run into some issues working with Attention/IM

again, thanks

Tom
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

Tom -

You will most likely catch me here in the IM7 forum. Here is my hotmail email account. Once I receive your info I'll forward you another email address.

jadrice@hotmail.com

My name stays the same.


- Jadrice
Jadrice Toussaint
Honored Contributor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

The Disk threshold issues highlighted in this poist was not resolved in the latest version of proliant service pack version 7.0.

Still waiting.
Tom E
Advisor

Re: Disk Space Threshold issue. To the (IM7 developers) this is my concern.

could you send me a copy of the dialogic software? thanks