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SIM 5.0 and DB support

 
Daniel Barr
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SIM 5.0 and DB support

I have a few quick questions about the database support for SIM 5.0, hopefully someone can shed some light for me.

I see that SIM 5 supports PostgreSQL on Linux and HP/UX, but is it also supported on Windows? If not, is there a specific reason why?

Second, is Oracle 8i supported or is Oracle support strictly limited to 9i?

I'd really hate to have to run it using MSDE, but if I can't do Postgres on Windows or Oracle 8i, then that's the only option I have left.

Thanks.

Dan Barr
Mercer Insurance Group
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David Claypool
Honored Contributor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

The 'free' database supported for Windows is MSDE. For HP-UX and Linux it is PostgreSQL. HP SIM does not support PostgreSQL on Windows.

Why would you 'hate' to run MSDE? In our testing, the performance of MSDE on Windows is superior to PostgreSQL on Linux, resulting in a rule of thumb of approximately 500 devices to be managed with MSDE and around 300 devices with PostgreSQL.
Daniel Barr
Advisor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

I say I'd hate to have to run it because it is not a full-featured database like Posgres and Oracle. It's a feature-crippled version of MSSQL with no management interface to speak of.

Can I assume that SIM will not function using Oracle 8i as its backend database?

Does SIM have any capability to dump the contents of its database and import into a different one (say from MSDE into Oracle 9i when we upgrade to 9i?). At least that way we could transition over to using Oracle when we upgrade our database servers from 8i.
Preston Gallwas
Valued Contributor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

Daniel, if you have the enterprise manager MMC anywhere on your network, you can get right into the MSDE session for SIM.

Daniel Barr
Advisor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

Forgive my ignorance because we are an Oracle shop and don't have MSSQL anywhere on our network...is the MMC available for download independent of SQL Server itself? I find plenty of mention of it on microsoft.com, but no download resources.
Daniel Barr
Advisor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

Nevermind, I see that MS provides an unsupported "Web Data Administration" tool for working with MSDE databases.

The thing that makes me most uneasy about using MSDE for SIM is the 2gb database limit. I would hate to reach that after a year or so and have to purge historical data in order to be able to continue recording new data.

Anyway, if anyone has an answer to my Oracle 8i question, I'd still like to know whether SIM will run on it. Thanks to those who've already responded.

On another, semi-related note...I know that HP recommends MySQL as part of the Linux Reference Architecture...is future support for MySQL planned for SIM?
David Claypool
Honored Contributor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

Dan:

You'll never get near the 2GB limit. There's about a 50MB overhead just because, and then consider that data collection grabs about 5K per device and an event is around <1K. With the rule of thumb of a maximum of 500 devices and 5,000 events, raw data is around 7.5MB. Ballpark it to say that indexes and other overhead doubles that and it's 15MB. Each historical data collection takes about 2.5MB, so even doubling that, it would be upwards of 150 historical data collection samples to even approach 1GB.

As far as 'managing' the database, HP SIM does its own housekeeping and the only user is the HP SIM user (even if there are multiple users of HP SIM), so the only thing necessary really is backups.

QA is as expensive (sometimes even more) than the development of the product itself. Qualifying a database is a non-trivial expense. Our objective is to support a 'free' database option and an enterprise database option for each OS. With MSDE/SQL and now Oracle for Windows and PostgreSQL/Oracle for HP-UX and Linux, that objective has been met. Some people may prefer MySQL over PostgreSQL, but we aren't contemplating the expense of qualifying MySQL for a preference or like. (BTW, MySQL lacked a few necessary features at the time HP SIM was originally being developed which is what led to PostgreSQL).

It is possible that Oracle 8i would "work," but any call-in support would be unable to assist you since it hasn't been specifically qualified.
Daniel Barr
Advisor

Re: SIM 5.0 and DB support

Thanks, got the answers I was after. I'm currently installing SIM with MSDE 2000.