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Shivkumar
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is non stop server os superior than hpux

Is non-stop server os superior than hpux os ?

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Shiv
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Uwe Zessin
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Yes and no ;-)

The non-stop systems (formerly from Tandem) are true fault-tolerant computers. It is a completely different market.
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Joseph Loo
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

hi,

i would say it all depends on your needs. read this for some thoughts on non-stop:

http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/cache/49205-0-0-0-121.aspx?bodycontentparams=127415-0-0-0-121&ERL=true&pageTitle=Featured%20article

regards.
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Arunvijai_4
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Nope, Non stop servers runs some special software on HP-UX, nothing changes.

-Arun
"A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for"
Pete Randall
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

That's like asking which is the better color, red or blue. It's all a matter of personal preference and requirements. Since this is a predominantly HP-UX forum, I would expect the majority of your answers are going to favor HP-UX.


Pete

Pete
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi

I accept with Pete, it depends your limitations. Well if you ask this question in this forum it would be obviously hpux,I would also say the same.

Rgds

HGN
Shivkumar
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

I was thinking non-stop is HP's own os. Thanks for clarifying.
Uwe Zessin
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

The NonStop OS was named "Guardian". At least when it was owned by Tandem, before they handed themself over to Compaq, before Compa handed itself over to HP.
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Victor BERRIDGE
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Shiv,

As already mentionned, fault tolerent is a completely different architecture where everything is more than redundant and can be almost changed without disrupting anything (in theory) and so is out of price, whereas HA (serviceGuard) is trying to achieve the same goal by migrating applications (packages) from a faulty server to good one in a cluster...


All the best
Victor
Uwe Zessin
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Fault-tolerance does not only mean that hardware components are redundant - it means that these components (e.g. CPU, memory) perform the same operation at the same time. In case of an error you don't have any service interruptions due to a "failover".
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Jan van den Ende
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Shiv,

Uwe's description even is an understatement.

In NonStop, EVERY SINGLE instruction is executed in parallel by DIFFERENT components, and compared before continuing.
And for the paranoid, DIFFERENT can be more than two. They even have special hardware that recognises, and eliminated, the bad effects of the occasional cosmic rays!

I have witnessed (not live, alas, but on video) the dismantling of a RUNNING system to less than half of the original. Then re-assemble with spare parts, and detach anything that was not previously replaced...
while the system KEPT RUNNING!

If you want to take such systems down,
A. you have to have VERY elevated authorisation ( WAY above simple ROOT ) and execute the magic incantations on a special service console, or
B. detonate enough dynamite, semtex or equivalent close enough to REALLY shatter things thoroughly.
But even then, chances are that you will only get half of capacity. Because there probably is a remote site which executes the same instruction in the same milisecond, and is capable of recognising its partner truely gone, so it will CONTINUE on its own. And take CONTINUE literally, that is, NOT failing over, NOT restarting, not even restarting the current transaction.

Only STRATUS and VMS can do remotely similar things (albeit by quite dissimilar methods).

hth.

Proost.

Have one one me.

jpe
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Shivkumar
Super Advisor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Jan,

Is STRATUS some new operating system ?

Regards,
Shiv
James R. Ferguson
Acclaimed Contributor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Shiv:

"Stratus" isn't an operating system --- it's the name of a company. Its been around for quite awhile.

http://www.stratus.com/company/facts.htm

Regards!

...JRF...
James R. Ferguson
Acclaimed Contributor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi (again) Shiv:

In fact, this "glossy" overview from Stratus gives a nice overview of what the Continuum line offers with HP-UX:

http://www.stratus.com/resources/pdf/hpux.pdf

Regards!

...JRF...
Arunvijai_4
Honored Contributor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Shiv, if you are looking for Non stop relates courses, take a look at

http://h30101.www3.hp.com/index.htm

-Arun
"A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for"
Shivkumar
Super Advisor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

This HP's non-stop server looks a very high end server. I just wanted to know are there many companies who are using this type of server ?

Regards,
Shiv
Arunvijai_4
Honored Contributor

Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Shiv, You can see the people who are using Non stop products, http://h20223.www2.hp.com/NonStopComputing/cache/76364-0-0-0-121.html

-Arun
"A ship in the harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for"
Shivkumar
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Re: is non stop server os superior than hpux

Hi Arjun,

Thanks for suggesting link for training. non-stop server seems to be state-of-the-art (very high end) servers. I am not sure its deployment all over the world mostly europe, usa and australia. I am thinking to work in uk and australia like countries as sys admin for higher end servers.

After getting training in non-stop servers, will it help me to get a better paid job. I understand too common technology may not fetch better salary as there may be too many people available.

7 years ago i learned lots of windows technologies,linux and oracle but i had a hard time to find a job in the usa.
Because windows,linux and oracle skills are very common and easiest to learn and work. Probably people who are looking out for lucrative career path may be disappointed in the long run.

My above viewpoint is based from sys admin perspective.

I am targetting to work on higher end systems after getting sufficient training.
Experienced sys admin gurus on this forum may like to share their experience.

Thanks,
Shiv